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re: Is golding still terrible?

Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:11 pm to
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3294 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:11 pm to
Yep. Our defense was decimated by injuries last year. This year we appear to be very cohesive and more confident by the week. That helps a lot.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:12 pm to
Let’s keep things in perspective: Auburn’s All-Freshman SEC RB was injured and ineffective running behind a piecemeal OL with both tackles out. Seth Williams dropped an easy TD and Gus’s game plan was shite. No wheel routes, the TE was wide open the few times he was targeted. Nix hurt us some with his legs but none of it was utilized much.

The defense has played better the last few games but they have hardly faced offensive juggernauts. The holes on the defense are the same as they were when they were shaky. The difference I see is young guys playing faster and giving good effort. Moses is still having issues. I worry about what Florida and a playoff team will do to this defense. I love the play of our freshmen like Moore and Branch and Smith. They are getting after it. But I don’t think Golding deserves all the credit.
This post was edited on 11/28/20 at 9:14 pm
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
5735 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

Bo got a lot of yards running in the first half that way and completed some plays later with no MLB or safety playing short middle


Our MLBers are lost most of the time.
Posted by PowHound
The Peoples Moderator
Member since Jul 2014
6843 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:29 pm to
I was under the impression someone else has been calling the defense since halftime of the UGA game.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
26681 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:39 pm to
Y’all’s defense seems amped up and ready to play from the jump. Most of the plays that were big gains were ones that I don’t recall seeing this year. Everything else was like they knew what was coming, which means Golding had them prepared. LBs are probably still the weak point in the defense, but the DBs and DL were wrecking ish today.

With the offense you have, this defense is more than capable of doing what needs to be done to win the NC.
This post was edited on 11/28/20 at 9:41 pm
Posted by PowHound
The Peoples Moderator
Member since Jul 2014
6843 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:46 pm to
 
quote:

LBs are probably still the weak point in the defense, 


Guess who coaches the Lb's.
Posted by LockDown
Member since Feb 2010
1321 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

But this isn't the most logical explanation.



First year, Tosh/Golding has veteran playcaller at linebacker, upperclassmen at various positions, poor play. Last year, Golding has young players at each level, including linebacker, again poor play. Beginning of this year, veteran playcaller at linebacker, more experience at various positions, again same mistakes repeating.

This is called a pattern. Logic dictates something changed.

Golding didn't.

Moses is still in the middle.

Harris is still playing.

Cumulative knowledge of the players has increased, but the difference in play since the Ole Miss game has been much improved.

Assuming the players couldn't grasp Golding's philosophy over 12 to 24 months, but all of a sudden did during the week after the Ole Miss game is illogical.

Assuming Golding became a defensive savant during the week following the Ole Miss game is likewise illogical.

Assuming the understanding of the defense by the players increased and comfort with the calls/concepts similarly increased is logical, as this could have been accomplished with tinkering with communication/teaching by coaches to players, which could have been accomplished quickly.

So, yes, this is the most logical explanation.


Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
26681 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 9:54 pm to
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Guess who coaches the Lb's.

Fair point but modern offenses put an insane amount of pressure on the LBs. They have to be ready to take fill a gap, read an RPO, pick up a TE that’s a glorified giant TE, or hang with a RB that runs routes like a WR coming out of the backfield.

It takes a freakish combination of someone being strong, fast, and cerebral to do it well these days.
This post was edited on 11/28/20 at 9:55 pm
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 10:07 pm to
quote:

So, yes, this is the most logical explanation.


Well, humor us then and tell us who is making the defensive calls.

Saban wasn't there today.

Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72141 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 10:09 pm to
Golding keeps his job. Moves back to secondary. Pruitt comes home to coach LBs again.
Posted by LockDown
Member since Feb 2010
1321 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

Well, humor us then and tell us who is making the defensive calls.


I believe that you mean humor you.

Golding is making the calls, he was on the sidelines today. If you were at the game, you could see him on the field. If you watched on TV, you could see him on the field. So, logic dictates that if he wasn't making calls, he wouldn't be taking up an on the field spot, just to have it go to waste.

Never said Golding wasn't making the calls. Reading comprehension is key.

Just stated that he is getting help. Saban not being there, but the defense still playing the way that they did, lends support to this.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44343 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 10:22 pm to
Why would Golding still be DC if we bring Pruitt back? Pruitt is a significantly better DC. He's just a redneck a-hole who can't run his own program.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72141 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 10:35 pm to
Because he honestly hasn’t done anything to lose his job to this point in 2020. But Pruitt back would put the pressure on. Co-DC
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

Someone is getting some serious help in calling the defense now.


So who was helping Golging make the calls today?
Posted by LockDown
Member since Feb 2010
1321 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 10:52 pm to
quote:

So who was helping Golging make the calls today?





I count no less than three former defensive coordinators/ head coaches on the defensive on-field staff/ analyst roster.

What say you?
Posted by Canyon16
Muscle Shoals
Member since Nov 2017
3685 posts
Posted on 11/28/20 at 10:53 pm to
Our defense, particularly the Dline/secondary is improving each & every game.
We'll know if we have a championship caliber defense on December 19.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13172 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:07 am to
The defense is way better since OLE MISS. If you want to criticize before then, you have to give him credit for the drastic improvement since then. If Saban wants him here or gone, I am in agreement either way
Posted by BamaDude06
GOATville20
Member since Jan 2007
3475 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 12:17 am to
quote:

I count no less than three former defensive coordinators/ head coaches on the defensive on-field staff/ analyst roster.



And those analysts can't actually be involved on gameday. Can't be on the headsets, etc.
Posted by UASports23
Member since Nov 2009
24344 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 1:05 am to
quote:

At this point, he could shite silver and there would be complaints it wasn't gold.



My biggest complaint is that the silver has shite on it.
Posted by Hawaiian Punch
Member since Jan 2018
504 posts
Posted on 11/29/20 at 3:27 am to
quote:

Is golding still terrible?


There are so many different variables and behind the scenes factors that go into the performance of the defense that make this question impossible to answer decisively “Yes” of “No.”

Simply put, the defense is playing light years better than they did against Ole Miss, but the same shite (RBs out of the backfield, pre snap shifts, the middle is still vulnerable, etc.) that killed us in week 3 still has not been fixed (enough).

The improvements to the defense, IMO, are due to the younger guys in the secondary becoming more comfortable with their assignments and DL/OLBs playing at much higher level.

The ILBs are still mediocre, and this might not be be due to Goldings scheme or play calls, but he sucks as an ILB coach. They are still confused and don’t know how to play the position. This could be a result of having a high school RB (Moses) and DB (Harris) playing ILB, but the lack of improvement points to Golding (of the absence of a quality LB coach).

It’s hard to tell how good Golding is because of how poorly Moses plays the MLB position. He is the worst Mike we have had since Saban got here - yes, that includes Shane Lee and Trey DePriest. He is simply not a Mike LBer, and I saw more out of Jaylen Moody in one series than I have from Moses all year.

Obviously we have played much better since Ole Miss, but Golding still goes full retard sometimes and gets way too cute with what he’s trying to do (though, it is very obvious Saban has simplified the defense since OM).

TL;DR - I don’t know if he’s terrible but he certainly isn’t great, and I pray we don’t waste Saban’s last good years and all of this talent trying to figure out the answer. I think all parties would benefit most if the Tide and Golding part ways after this year. He needs to go learn at another program where he’s not in a Do or Die situation, and we need someone who can have these guys flying around the field fast and with confidence in their assignments.
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