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re: Is Bama having hard time selling tickets?
Posted on 7/12/19 at 5:33 am to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 7/12/19 at 5:33 am to TomRollTideRitter
Plain and simple; if someone is rooting for college sports, or prefers it to pro sports under the guise of “purity,” or “amateurism,” then they are under all circumstances, a fool.
Many athletic departments generate revenue in excess of the MLS and NHL. It’s a business, there’s no way to run around that fact.
Many athletic departments generate revenue in excess of the MLS and NHL. It’s a business, there’s no way to run around that fact.
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 8:20 am to BamaWins15
as someone who has the ability to purchase season tickets each season, I normally do not because the home schedule (besides a few games) is an absolute JOKE!
Posted on 7/12/19 at 8:40 am to Silverback
I think we're about to cut back on how many tickets we get (from 4 to 2) if not get rid of them altogether.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 9:10 am to pvilleguru
The expense to watch
New Mexico State
Southern Miss
Western Carolina
New Mexico State
Southern Miss
Western Carolina
Posted on 7/12/19 at 9:14 am to ATLabama
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It’s a business, there’s no way to run around that fact.
Yeah, I don't get the argument that athletic departments aren't run to maximize profits. If they weren't required to field Title IX sports, most would shutter them. And spare the argument that they're non-profits. That only mean they're not taxed on their income. Most non-profits are run to maximize profits as well.
The Tide Pride charitable contribution has always been one of the biggest shams out there, IMO.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 4:07 pm to The Spleen
If California’s law passes, allowing players to make money off their names, I think the flood gates will open.
I for one, am pulling for those guys to blow up the NCAA.
I think a completely restructuring to P5 scheduling only will help revive ticket sales.
I for one, am pulling for those guys to blow up the NCAA.
I think a completely restructuring to P5 scheduling only will help revive ticket sales.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 4:41 pm to The Spleen
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If they weren't required to field Title IX sports, most would shutter them.
Why do they field other men’s teams then?
It’s not like it’s just the women’s sports that lose money. Baseball usually posts some of the highest losses of any college sport.
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I don't get the argument that athletic departments aren't run to maximize profits.
If this is true, they’re really shitty at it. $42.5 million for a college baseball stadium. $21 million for an aquatic center renovation. What kind of profit maximization strategy is that?
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The Tide Pride charitable contribution has always been one of the biggest shams out there, IMO.
I agree with this. I’d rather they just call it a seat license.
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 7/12/19 at 5:13 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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If this is true, they’re really shitty at it. $42.5 million for a college baseball stadium. $21 million for an aquatic center renovation. What kind of profit maximization strategy is that?
Businesses all make money and spend money for different reasons. Public companies for shareholders, pro sports owners for themselves, and colleges for... themselves. These CapEx items are also lining the pockets of alumni who provide the construction services... this is exactly the same strategy deployed by other businesses non-and for profit alike.
As for your “seat license” comment, 100% agree. I feel like there’s a professional entity that also employs these tactics, just can’t seem to put my finger on it...
Posted on 7/12/19 at 5:27 pm to ATLabama
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if someone is rooting for college sports, or prefers it to pro sports
I don’t think I’m rooting for anything. I like pro and college sports for different reasons.
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Many athletic departments generate revenue in excess of the MLS and NHL.
Yes but almost all that revenue goes right back into the athletics department. Most colleges actually spend more money trying to compete than they bring in.
Why do these athletics departments make such shockingly poor investments if they only want to make money? Shouldn’t the administrators just pocket that? The administrators actually elect to pay the coaches far more than themselves.
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they are under all circumstances, a fool.
Why an insult? I don’t believe I insulted anyone in this thread.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 7:02 pm to RolltidePA
New Mexico State
Southern Miss
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Arkansas
LSU
Western Carolina
I will attend one, maybe two.
Southern Miss
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Arkansas
LSU
Western Carolina
I will attend one, maybe two.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 6:12 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
Parsing out snippets of sentences is for those bending truth, when the whole segment provides the color of an argument.
I never slandered you; I simply made a broad statement that those who put their head in the sand, choosing to favor college while they are a multi-billion dollar revenue generating machine to the pros, based on the notion it is more "pure" and "amateur," is a fool. If you so choose to slot yourself into the description, it is of your discretion. Then, you can choose to ignore the real reason even the athletes show up on campus at certain schools. I assure you our NFL lineage and Daimler-Chrysler connections have a say in the matter.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:55 pm to BamaWins15
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My email inbox inundated with constant solicitation from the Athletic department to buy football tickets.
Yes, I get 2-3 emails a week from them. This week they started trying to sell Stadium Club lounge memberships, so I guess those areas aren’t doing well either. Tickets to the opener are going for $30.
I don’t think fans are spoiled, they’re just sick and tired of the scheduling and finally (thankfully) the AD has noticed - see the recent announcements for H&H’s against ND and Texas and what seems to be a pullback from neutral sites.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:18 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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I don’t think fans are spoiled, they’re just sick and tired of the scheduling and finally (thankfully) the AD has noticed - see the recent announcements for H&H’s against ND and Texas and what seems to be a pullback from neutral sites.
I have absolutely zero problem with neutral-site games, provided its in a good city, against a reasonable opponent.
The stadiums are lavish, hotel rooms aplenty, and there's always something fun to do on that Sunday, as it's usually labor day weekend. Our duels in Atlanta and Dallas are can't miss for me and my buddies.
The Home and Homes are fine; but it doesn't subtract any of the absolute garbage games away from the schedule. If we followed up Duke with Arizona State in BDS vs. New Mexico State, I'd be all about going over.
I'm not saying you need to give us Michigan, ND, Texas, and USC on our home slate every fall, but, I'll need at least Purdue, Wazzou, or Kansas State to at least pique my interest.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:21 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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I don’t think fans are spoiled, they’re just sick and tired of the scheduling
Our scheduling isn't that much different than it has always been. We're a dominant program under Saban though, and even a lot of the SEC games have lost their luster so the schedule just appears weaker. I sat through a lot of La Tech, Memphis State, Southern Miss, etc. games in the 80', 90's, and early 00's, as well as games where we got our brains beat in by Tennessee, LSU, Miss State, etc. And before SEC expansion, Vandy was a permanent East division opponent. So I think the schedule complaints are just a scapegoat for us being spoiled.
But I think the addition of the neutral site games and expansion of the playoffs are playing into it as well when you factor in the costs associated with going to those games.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:21 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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I don’t think fans are spoiled, they’re just sick and tired of the scheduling and finally
The scheduling has been this way for decades now. You will never see a P5 school go out of conference and schedule Nebraska, Missouri, USC, and Washington like Bama did in 1978. (We also had Virginia Tech that year, but they were legitimately one of the worst teams in cfb in those days). There have been a few years where we didn't get a P5 on the schedule, but that hasn't happened in a number of years.
The fact is the fans are VERY spoiled now. In the last 11 seasons people have forgotten what G5 losses to Northern Illinois, Louisiana Monroe, Southern Miss, Central Florida, Memphis State, Hawaii, and Louisiana Tech TWICE, were like. Not to mention regular losses to unranked P5 teams. Pretty soon Saban will be gone, and his replacement is far more likely to turn out to be an average (by Bama standards) coach than a HOF one.
The primary reason tickets aren't selling is that it's just too easy to watch at home. Every game is televised, Everyone's house is air conditioned, everyone has at least one very large television for viewing, everyone has comfortable seating, and no one likes to drive through game day traffic.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 10:30 am
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:03 pm to Evolved Simian
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The scheduling has been this way for decades now.
The "it's always been this way," argument is a pitfall for evolution of virtually everything on this earth.
You are right, fans have TVs now. We don't need to drudge to Tuscaloosa to watch us play Southern Miss.
This is a problem for all of college football. If we could just get P5 schools to all agree to play each other, perhaps even have conferences have rotating schedules with other conferences, we'd be in great shape.
It's awesome that we are awesome, but what exactly is there to look forward to on this year's home slate? LSU is the only game that won't be a gigantic arse kicking. Maybe.
I love the Tide, but it's time they either (a) shrink the stadium and have a ton of premium seats, or (b) be the Bear Bryant of the modern era and just say, "hey," my legacy is beyond winning. It's time to play P5 only schedules.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:31 pm to BamaWins15
Another thing that a lot of people dont want to admit...
Trump's tax law removing football ticket donor deduction. It is having an impact. Thats a lot of money donors can't deduct. No more motivation to buy season tickets
Trump's tax law removing football ticket donor deduction. It is having an impact. Thats a lot of money donors can't deduct. No more motivation to buy season tickets
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:22 pm to stomp
Another day has passed and another ploy and trick to get me to buy more tickets.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 9:39 pm to Evolved Simian
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The fact is the fans are VERY spoiled now. In the last 11 seasons people have forgotten what G5 losses to Northern Illinois, Louisiana Monroe, Southern Miss, Central Florida, Memphis State, Hawaii, and Louisiana Tech TWICE, were like. Not to mention regular losses to unranked P5 teams. Pretty soon Saban will be gone, and his replacement is far more likely to turn out to be an average (by Bama standards) coach than a HOF one.
Don't ever bring up those memories again. My PTSD is almost gone but I could snap again!
Posted on 7/24/19 at 9:46 pm to phil4bama
Regarding the whole college sports is a business thing, yes, nowadays D1 football is a business. That's just cold hard fact. And Bama will always have a special place in my heart, business or no business. But I am finding it more and more enjoyable to watch games between lower level teams all the way down to D3, where it's not a business and the kids are STUDENT-athletes and they are playing for the love of the game. There's an atmosphere to those games that gets lost amid the dollar signs.
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