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Interesting podcast tidbit re: Bama 2020 QB race:
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:48 pm
As many here know, I listen to CFB podcasts when I'm building furniture, working on the Jeep, etc, and I came across something you all might find interesting from The Cover 3 podcast from Jan 6th.
Now, let me preface this by saying I am not endorsing any particular QB in 2020. I do, however, believe that Mac Jones is our best option today, and is very good - somebody has to take it from him to be the guy. I will not be surprised to see him start and play all/most of games 1 and 3, given that we open vs USC and play GA 2 weeks later. Experience, knowledge, and leadership we be paramount to begin next year.
Having prefaced with that, Barton Simmons threw a question to the group (himself, Tom Fornelli, and Chip Patterson): Who would you rather have as your QB: Mac Jones as he exists today, or never played a snap true freshman Tua? Well, Fornelli and Patterson immediately snap "Mac Jones today", and I answer the same to myself just as quickly. Well, Simmons was surprised by their answer, and stated that he'd take true freshman Tua because a generational player doesn't come around often, and when he does, you play him. The good outweighs the bad, and he explained that referencing Tua versus Jalen a couple years back. (I disagree with Simmons because I believe current Mac Jones to be much, MUCH better than sophomore Jalen. But I digress...)
Now comes the interesting part. Remember, Barton Simmons was a 2-time All-Ivy league Safety, got started in CFB reporting with Rivals in 2000, has 2 decades of experience in recruiting, and in addition to being an analyst for CBSSsports, is the Lead Evaluator of Talent and in the absolute boss at 247sports with regards to their rankings of recruits. This dude is in recruiting as deep as it can get and knows his stuff. He's literally sideline at every major recruiting/all-star event, etc. and has been for 2 decades.
Well, Simmons says that he asks the question because in his opinion, "Bryce Young is right-handed Tua." He elaborates by explaining that it's not hyperbole - Bryce Young to his eye is every bit the "generational" talent that Tua was, surveying the field and seeing it in a way that can't be taught, like it's slow motion or something. And in his opinion, if you would take true freshman Tua over current Mac Jones, then you gotta take Young as well. He says Young is just as special.
Now, let me preface this by saying I am not endorsing any particular QB in 2020. I do, however, believe that Mac Jones is our best option today, and is very good - somebody has to take it from him to be the guy. I will not be surprised to see him start and play all/most of games 1 and 3, given that we open vs USC and play GA 2 weeks later. Experience, knowledge, and leadership we be paramount to begin next year.
Having prefaced with that, Barton Simmons threw a question to the group (himself, Tom Fornelli, and Chip Patterson): Who would you rather have as your QB: Mac Jones as he exists today, or never played a snap true freshman Tua? Well, Fornelli and Patterson immediately snap "Mac Jones today", and I answer the same to myself just as quickly. Well, Simmons was surprised by their answer, and stated that he'd take true freshman Tua because a generational player doesn't come around often, and when he does, you play him. The good outweighs the bad, and he explained that referencing Tua versus Jalen a couple years back. (I disagree with Simmons because I believe current Mac Jones to be much, MUCH better than sophomore Jalen. But I digress...)
Now comes the interesting part. Remember, Barton Simmons was a 2-time All-Ivy league Safety, got started in CFB reporting with Rivals in 2000, has 2 decades of experience in recruiting, and in addition to being an analyst for CBSSsports, is the Lead Evaluator of Talent and in the absolute boss at 247sports with regards to their rankings of recruits. This dude is in recruiting as deep as it can get and knows his stuff. He's literally sideline at every major recruiting/all-star event, etc. and has been for 2 decades.
Well, Simmons says that he asks the question because in his opinion, "Bryce Young is right-handed Tua." He elaborates by explaining that it's not hyperbole - Bryce Young to his eye is every bit the "generational" talent that Tua was, surveying the field and seeing it in a way that can't be taught, like it's slow motion or something. And in his opinion, if you would take true freshman Tua over current Mac Jones, then you gotta take Young as well. He says Young is just as special.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 3:52 pm
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:05 pm to prevatt33b
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As many here know, I listen to CFB podcasts when I'm building furniture, working on the Jeep, etc,
I didn't know this, thanks.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:07 pm to RJYH
Quality contribution. Many thanks.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:16 pm to prevatt33b
Another thing that was mentioned in the podcast regarding Bama's 2020 QB race: I think it was Simmons (not sure, though) who said that despite Young's talent, there is a big issue with starting him, which is that Bama's QB room would EMPTY. Jones and Taulia would likely transfer immediately, and is that something that would affect Saban's desire to start Young?
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:29 pm to prevatt33b
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. It will be like 2018. Mac will get the start with Bryce getting quality playing time and lia cleaning up.
Edit. Mac is Tua, BY is jalen, and lia is Mac.
All of you got it, but wanted to clarify anyway
Edit. Mac is Tua, BY is jalen, and lia is Mac.
All of you got it, but wanted to clarify anyway
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:38 pm to prevatt33b
That's the dilemma. Do you start Young because he's the more talented QB and you know he's the future of the program and watch the other guys leave or do you roll with Mac as the experienced still talented but not as much QB and hope Young is patient enough to wait?
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:43 pm to Bamadoc
I’d assume at least one of them would stay through the season and then transfer. Or is that erroneous?
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:47 pm to prevatt33b
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Bryce Young to his eye is every bit the "generational" talent that Tua was
He'll have to be to beat out Mac. Mac has shown some real stones and some real talent but i wonder though. Where does trent dilfer stand on young?
If i recall, trent dilfer had tua nailed before he ever took a single snap at Alabama and some folks laughed at him for it.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:58 pm to _Hurricane_
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I’d assume at least one of them would stay through the season and then transfer. Or is that erroneous?
I think all 3 stay if the depth chart is Mac, BY/Lia.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:59 pm to Pandy Fackler
Last game sold me on Mac. He stepped up in the pocket which was collapsing and threw a strike downfield.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 5:04 pm to Sebastian
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Last game sold me on Mac. He stepped up in the pocket which was collapsing and threw a strike downfield.
It did me too but you could see the potential though against state. Realistically, Mac could make the jump into elite status.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 5:59 pm to Pandy Fackler
Who is better by Iron Bowl 2020...Bryce Young with 11 starts under his belt, or Mac Jones with 11 more starts under his belt?
It ain’t even close, Bryce Young has the highest ceiling, and he will/should be your starter.
You don’t bench 5-star QBs unless you want to lose them.
It ain’t even close, Bryce Young has the highest ceiling, and he will/should be your starter.
You don’t bench 5-star QBs unless you want to lose them.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:29 pm to saban n bear
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You don’t bench 5-star QBs unless you want to lose them.
So, we're star-fricking now?
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:30 pm to prevatt33b
Saban will manage it the same way he always has. The media will not like it, and the fans will not like it, but he will not name a starter until someone clearly separates from the other and "arm talent," and "upside," will have nothing to do with it.
It will 100% come down to who protects the football, and gives the team the best chance to win the game.
With that said, I watched Bryce play several times this year, and Barton is correct... it's not hyperbole to say the kid is a right handed Tua. I can say without any doubt that Bryce Young is the best high school QB I have ever watched. As crazy as it sounds, and understanding that he wasn't facing college defenses he actually looked better. Bryce gets the ball out fast and ridiculously accurately. The most impressive however is how composed he is while leading the offense. Very cool cat. Unlike Tua he seems to already understand the big picture is to win the game not win the next play. Tua never really grasped that he could win a game by losing a play here and there- it was his greatest weakness, and he and the team payed the ultimate price for that weakness twice.
Bryce is really small though. If I had to place a wager I would have him under 185#. He may not be able to start at this level from a physical development standpoint.
Either way I'm stoked he chose to roll with the Tide, and I look forward to following his career. There is a lot riding on him. Dabo took a 6'5 250# monster QB, and that size always translates/helps at the college level. A QB that can take on LB's and fall forward at the college level is simply a nightmare to defend. If Saban and his 5'10" 185# QB cant stay healthy because he cant physically take the punishment like we saw from Tua then... Dabo could be taking throne.
It will 100% come down to who protects the football, and gives the team the best chance to win the game.
With that said, I watched Bryce play several times this year, and Barton is correct... it's not hyperbole to say the kid is a right handed Tua. I can say without any doubt that Bryce Young is the best high school QB I have ever watched. As crazy as it sounds, and understanding that he wasn't facing college defenses he actually looked better. Bryce gets the ball out fast and ridiculously accurately. The most impressive however is how composed he is while leading the offense. Very cool cat. Unlike Tua he seems to already understand the big picture is to win the game not win the next play. Tua never really grasped that he could win a game by losing a play here and there- it was his greatest weakness, and he and the team payed the ultimate price for that weakness twice.
Bryce is really small though. If I had to place a wager I would have him under 185#. He may not be able to start at this level from a physical development standpoint.
Either way I'm stoked he chose to roll with the Tide, and I look forward to following his career. There is a lot riding on him. Dabo took a 6'5 250# monster QB, and that size always translates/helps at the college level. A QB that can take on LB's and fall forward at the college level is simply a nightmare to defend. If Saban and his 5'10" 185# QB cant stay healthy because he cant physically take the punishment like we saw from Tua then... Dabo could be taking throne.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:31 pm to saban n bear
If starting Mac likely costs us 3 years of Young we should be starting Young if he’s functional.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:43 pm to tide06
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If starting Mac likely costs us 3 years of Young
I can't see why this A would lead to this B. Young would be smart to sit and learn for a year.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:45 pm to prevatt33b
Bryce Young will not sit for a year. He may not start but he won't be sitting.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:46 pm to PowHound
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It will 100% come down to who protects the football, and gives the team the best chance to win the game
While I agree, Saban always says that the QB 'has to win the team'. Mac seems to have done that. Bryce Young hasn't even drunk from an Alabama Gatorade bottle yet.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:48 pm to Shaft Williams
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He may not start but he won't be sitting.
That wasn't my point. I don't see a universe where Bruce Young is anything less than QB2.
I think Bryce Young could get the Shingles and full blown AIDS and be better than Taulia.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:50 pm to prevatt33b
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While I agree, Saban always says that the QB 'has to win the team'. Mac seems to have done that. Bryce Young hasn't even drunk from an Alabama Gatorade bottle yet.
That's fine and dandy but if Bryce starts dropping dimes in windows he's going to win the team. Everyone at Bama knows their positions aren't etched in stone and what you did the previous season means little.
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