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Inside the process that led Scott Cochran to leave Alabama for UGA - Mark Zenitz, AL.com
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:41 am
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:41 am
Inside the Process that Led Cochran to Georgia - Zenitz, AL.com
Inside the process that led Scott Cochran to leave Alabama for Georgia
Updated 7:36 AM
By John Talty | jtalty@al.com and Matt Zenitz | mzenitz@al.com
After more than a decade working under Nick Saban at Alabama, Scott Cochran was frustrated and ready to do something different to the point he willingly took a pay cut to make it happen.
While Cochran leaving the Crimson Tide for Georgia stunned the Alabama fan base, it’s the kind of move the Tide’s long-time strength and conditioning coach had been considering since at least 2018.
In recent years, Cochran had become enamored with the idea of making the switch to being an on-field assistant, which started to look like more of a realistic possibility when he engaged in discussions with Lane Kiffin about Ole Miss’ special teams coordinator job in December.
Cochran had a strong relationship with Kiffin dating back to their shared Alabama days and liked the idea of starting his new career at an SEC school. If he was ever going to accomplish his goal of becoming a head coach, he knew he’d have to make the move out of the weight room and Ole Miss represented a perfect opportunity to do so.
Why Cochran ultimately didn’t end up at Ole Miss is a hot topic in the coaching world with multiple narratives emerging in the aftermath. Cochran told those close to him he was in position to get the job and that outside forces intervened to squash the hire, according to sources.
Other sources close to the situation strongly dispute that and have indicated that Kiffin simply opted to go in a different direction and instead hired Houston’s Blake Gideon, who was Football Scoop’s 2019 special teams coordinator of the year. There were discussions between Cochran and Ole Miss, but no official offer was ever extended, according to those sources.
Regardless of what happened between Ole Miss and Cochran, it solidified in his mind it was time to move on. Cochran had weighed the pros and cons of the move and eventually became all-in on the idea of being an on-field coach at Ole Miss. When it didn’t happen, there was a diminished interest in returning to his role as Alabama’s strength and conditioning coach and an increased desire to find an on-field opportunity.
“He made his mind up, ‘I’m leaving, I’m done with the strength thing and dealing with Coach Saban,’" a source with knowledge of the situation said. “Once you do that, when the (Ole Miss) thing didn’t happen, when you go back, you find all the problems magnified.”
After the Ole Miss discussions became public, Saban called Cochran in for a meeting and asked whether he really wanted to make the switch to an on-field job. When Cochran said he did, Saban told him he wouldn’t be comfortable hiring him as an on-field assistant at that point in time, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The advice from Saban was that if Cochran wanted to become a special teams coach, he should start attending Alabama’s special teams meetings and invest time into learning the intricacies of the position. Cochran left the conversation upset and convinced he wouldn’t be getting an on-field opportunity at Alabama given he believed he had already spent a lot of time around special teams.
It was part of growing friction between Saban and Cochran that seemed to come to a head around that point. Cochran was mentally ready to leave after the Ole Miss situation. Saban, meanwhile, had concerns about numbers and results from a strength and conditioning standpoint and wanted tweaks made to the program. Sources said Saban began “riding Cochran mercilessly in front of staff."
At this point, Cochran was even more determined to find an on-field opportunity elsewhere. Cochran pursued job opportunities with Michigan State and the New York Giants but neither worked out, per sources.
When Georgia lost special teams coach Scott Fountain to Arkansas, it opened up an attractive job to work for long-time friend Kirby Smart. The two had lost touch some over the years as the friendship took a hit when Cochran turned down an opportunity in 2015 to join Smart in Athens. But over the last year, Cochran worked to rebuild the relationship with the Georgia head coach. When he saw an opening, Cochran sold Smart hard on the benefits of hiring him as special teams coordinator despite his limited experience. It helped that Smart had already been thinking about the radical move when he heard about the discussions between Cochran and Ole Miss, according to sources.
Once he had Smart on board with the hire, Cochran met with Saban to inform him of his intention to leave Alabama last Monday. Saban quickly became resigned to the fact he couldn’t do anything to keep his trusted lieutenant when he realized Cochran had already made up his mind. Contrary to a narrative that’s begun to emerge in light of Cochran taking a pay cut to go to Georgia, Saban didn’t force Cochran out.
“Saban really wanting him out is so not true,” one source said. “At all.”
In the aftermath of Cochran’s decision to leave for Georgia, a public relations battle has emerged. Cochran posted a hype video earlier this week on his “new mission,” highlighting the six national championships and 36 NFL first round picks during his time at Alabama and LSU. A day later in a release announcing Cochran’s replacements, Saban said it was “imperative that we adopt and integrate advancements in the field of strength and conditioning that will provide elite training, while better protecting our players from injuries and helping them develop and perform at a higher level.”
Alabama hasn’t been shy about pointing out it’ll be pivoting to a more scientific approach to strength and conditioning that could help cut down on injuries after dealing with a rash of injuries over the last two seasons.
Cochran, meanwhile, clearly won’t hesitate to use his time at Alabama to bolster Georgia’s recruiting efforts, including against his former boss.
It’s the new reality where Cochran has his opportunity to be an on-field coach and Alabama moves to a new strength and conditioning approach after 13 years of the same man barking out orders.
The way it ended left hard feelings on both sides but it has the potential to give both what they want.
Inside the process that led Scott Cochran to leave Alabama for Georgia
Updated 7:36 AM
By John Talty | jtalty@al.com and Matt Zenitz | mzenitz@al.com
After more than a decade working under Nick Saban at Alabama, Scott Cochran was frustrated and ready to do something different to the point he willingly took a pay cut to make it happen.
While Cochran leaving the Crimson Tide for Georgia stunned the Alabama fan base, it’s the kind of move the Tide’s long-time strength and conditioning coach had been considering since at least 2018.
In recent years, Cochran had become enamored with the idea of making the switch to being an on-field assistant, which started to look like more of a realistic possibility when he engaged in discussions with Lane Kiffin about Ole Miss’ special teams coordinator job in December.
Cochran had a strong relationship with Kiffin dating back to their shared Alabama days and liked the idea of starting his new career at an SEC school. If he was ever going to accomplish his goal of becoming a head coach, he knew he’d have to make the move out of the weight room and Ole Miss represented a perfect opportunity to do so.
Why Cochran ultimately didn’t end up at Ole Miss is a hot topic in the coaching world with multiple narratives emerging in the aftermath. Cochran told those close to him he was in position to get the job and that outside forces intervened to squash the hire, according to sources.
Other sources close to the situation strongly dispute that and have indicated that Kiffin simply opted to go in a different direction and instead hired Houston’s Blake Gideon, who was Football Scoop’s 2019 special teams coordinator of the year. There were discussions between Cochran and Ole Miss, but no official offer was ever extended, according to those sources.
Regardless of what happened between Ole Miss and Cochran, it solidified in his mind it was time to move on. Cochran had weighed the pros and cons of the move and eventually became all-in on the idea of being an on-field coach at Ole Miss. When it didn’t happen, there was a diminished interest in returning to his role as Alabama’s strength and conditioning coach and an increased desire to find an on-field opportunity.
“He made his mind up, ‘I’m leaving, I’m done with the strength thing and dealing with Coach Saban,’" a source with knowledge of the situation said. “Once you do that, when the (Ole Miss) thing didn’t happen, when you go back, you find all the problems magnified.”
After the Ole Miss discussions became public, Saban called Cochran in for a meeting and asked whether he really wanted to make the switch to an on-field job. When Cochran said he did, Saban told him he wouldn’t be comfortable hiring him as an on-field assistant at that point in time, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The advice from Saban was that if Cochran wanted to become a special teams coach, he should start attending Alabama’s special teams meetings and invest time into learning the intricacies of the position. Cochran left the conversation upset and convinced he wouldn’t be getting an on-field opportunity at Alabama given he believed he had already spent a lot of time around special teams.
It was part of growing friction between Saban and Cochran that seemed to come to a head around that point. Cochran was mentally ready to leave after the Ole Miss situation. Saban, meanwhile, had concerns about numbers and results from a strength and conditioning standpoint and wanted tweaks made to the program. Sources said Saban began “riding Cochran mercilessly in front of staff."
At this point, Cochran was even more determined to find an on-field opportunity elsewhere. Cochran pursued job opportunities with Michigan State and the New York Giants but neither worked out, per sources.
When Georgia lost special teams coach Scott Fountain to Arkansas, it opened up an attractive job to work for long-time friend Kirby Smart. The two had lost touch some over the years as the friendship took a hit when Cochran turned down an opportunity in 2015 to join Smart in Athens. But over the last year, Cochran worked to rebuild the relationship with the Georgia head coach. When he saw an opening, Cochran sold Smart hard on the benefits of hiring him as special teams coordinator despite his limited experience. It helped that Smart had already been thinking about the radical move when he heard about the discussions between Cochran and Ole Miss, according to sources.
Once he had Smart on board with the hire, Cochran met with Saban to inform him of his intention to leave Alabama last Monday. Saban quickly became resigned to the fact he couldn’t do anything to keep his trusted lieutenant when he realized Cochran had already made up his mind. Contrary to a narrative that’s begun to emerge in light of Cochran taking a pay cut to go to Georgia, Saban didn’t force Cochran out.
“Saban really wanting him out is so not true,” one source said. “At all.”
In the aftermath of Cochran’s decision to leave for Georgia, a public relations battle has emerged. Cochran posted a hype video earlier this week on his “new mission,” highlighting the six national championships and 36 NFL first round picks during his time at Alabama and LSU. A day later in a release announcing Cochran’s replacements, Saban said it was “imperative that we adopt and integrate advancements in the field of strength and conditioning that will provide elite training, while better protecting our players from injuries and helping them develop and perform at a higher level.”
Alabama hasn’t been shy about pointing out it’ll be pivoting to a more scientific approach to strength and conditioning that could help cut down on injuries after dealing with a rash of injuries over the last two seasons.
Cochran, meanwhile, clearly won’t hesitate to use his time at Alabama to bolster Georgia’s recruiting efforts, including against his former boss.
It’s the new reality where Cochran has his opportunity to be an on-field coach and Alabama moves to a new strength and conditioning approach after 13 years of the same man barking out orders.
The way it ended left hard feelings on both sides but it has the potential to give both what they want.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 7:43 am
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The advice from Saban was that if Cochran wanted to become a special teams coach, he should start attending Alabama’s special teams meetings and invest time into learning the intricacies of the position. Cochran left the conversation upset and convinced he wouldn’t be getting an on-field opportunity at Alabama given he believed he had already spent a lot of time around special teams.
Kirby will never learn. Perception is all that matters to bowl cut
Posted on 3/5/20 at 7:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The advice from Saban was that if Cochran wanted to become a special teams coach, he should start attending Alabama’s special teams meetings and invest time into learning the intricacies of the position. Cochran left the conversation upset and convinced he wouldn’t be getting an on-field opportunity at Alabama given he believed he had already spent a lot of time around special teams.
Really? I mean, really?
That’s a bit arrogant. I have no doubt he can become a quality assistant coach but just because you’ve been around those that do it doesn’t mean you understand the ins and outs.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:07 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Kirby will never learn. Perception is all that matters to bowl cut
Kirby's biggest problem is that he is a reactionary and not an innovator. He's just going to copy whatever Saban does instead of coming up with his own ideas and strategies. His entire tenure at UGA is proof of that. That can work to an extent, but it will eventually fall apart.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:10 am to CapstoneGrad06
It is mind boggling. He's accomplished a ton in his field so I get the desire for a new challenge but there's just no way you go from career strength coach to an on-the-field coach at a Div 1 school with zero experience. That makes no sense whatsoever. That's 100% ego. I wish him luck and will miss him but it's time to move on.
Do you think it's possible he was coaching the kickers behind Saban's back?
Do you think it's possible he was coaching the kickers behind Saban's back?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
The article whew.... looks bad for Cochran.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:55 am to Panthers4life
Scott Cochran takes pay cut for new UGA job (AL.com)
Who are college football's best S&C coaches? The NFL Combine can tell us (247Sports)
Who are college football's best S&C coaches? The NFL Combine can tell us (247Sports)
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:57 am to CapstoneGrad06
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That’s a bit arrogant. I have no doubt he can become a quality assistant coach but just because you’ve been around those that do it doesn’t mean you understand the ins and outs.
People think they deserve the next big step but others think they haven't put in the work. maybe he will succeed but Saban obviously wasn't prepared to trust turning over the position to him.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:05 am to SummerOfGeorge
It sounds like Cochran really wanted to coach on the field, and Georgia needed a ST coach.
It sounds like a win-win-win for all three parties and not really as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
It sounds like a win-win-win for all three parties and not really as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:12 am to diddlydawg7
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It sounds like a win-win-win for all three parties
I think that's a little premature
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and Georgia needed a ST coach
Georgia is a big SEC school with recent playoff appearances. The logical move would've been to hire someone with experience actually coaching special teams
A lot of football games have been won and lost on the back of special teams. Coaches like Meyer and Beamer can credit a lot of their success to the importance they placed on special teams. It's just doesn't come across as a logical hire for a school as big as Georgia to trust an entire phase of the game to a guy that has no experience whatsoever doing it
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 9:15 am
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:16 am to SummerOfGeorge
Seems Bama wasn't gonna get Cochran's best anymore, which hopefully didn't influence or affect any part of the 4th Quarter program he ran.
His mind was set on coaching on field, no shame in that. Even if he stayed, would anything had changed for the better? Seems like he was biding his time until the opportunity showed up, you don't get shite done watching the clock.
Saban wasn't gonna get changes to the S&C program outright with Cochran, and Cochran wasn't likely to land a spot on field with Saban. Both found solutions outside the program for themselves.
End of the day, not a huge deal. It sucks seeing him go from a tenure and familiarity standpoint, but it seemed time for both parties to venture into the unknown and shake things up...
His mind was set on coaching on field, no shame in that. Even if he stayed, would anything had changed for the better? Seems like he was biding his time until the opportunity showed up, you don't get shite done watching the clock.
Saban wasn't gonna get changes to the S&C program outright with Cochran, and Cochran wasn't likely to land a spot on field with Saban. Both found solutions outside the program for themselves.
End of the day, not a huge deal. It sucks seeing him go from a tenure and familiarity standpoint, but it seemed time for both parties to venture into the unknown and shake things up...
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:19 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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A lot of football games have been won and lost on the back of special teams.
It's for sure a bit of a dice roll for Kirby. Cochran brings a lot to the table for Georgia but his inexperience at this position could bite them.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:24 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Georgia is a big SEC school with recent playoff appearances. The logical move would've been to hire someone with experience actually coaching special teams
Maybe, but Cochran probably appealed to us because of his recruiting and relationship with Kirby.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:50 am to diddlydawg7
I keep seeing UGA fans say this about Cochran. That his inexperience is worth it for his recruiting. What recruiting? He's never been out on the road on a recruiting trip in his life. Sure he interacted with recruits on campus during official visits but that was in the weight room and training facilities, his environment. Nobody has any idea how that will translate to a recruit's living room with his parents. His high energy, bouncing off the walls, screaming til he's hoarse shtick may get a kid pumped up during an official but probably won't translate well in another environment.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:53 am to diddlydawg7
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It sounds like Cochran really wanted to coach on the field, and Georgia needed a ST coach.
It sounds like a win-win-win for all three parties and not really as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
That's my take away as well
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:56 am to diddlydawg7
No doubt Cochran has a great personality for recruiting, but you really think that plus being an unproven commodity on the field is worth the $1.2 mill buyout vs going out and getting someone with actual coaching experience? It's not like UGA isn't already a recruiting machine.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 10:03 am to SummerOfGeorge
Thanks for posting this, George. Some of us never go to al.com.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 10:16 am to RollTide33
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I keep seeing UGA fans say this about Cochran. That his inexperience is worth it for his recruiting. What recruiting? He's never been out on the road on a recruiting trip in his life
I thinks it’s more to do with his reputation.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 10:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Cochran posted a hype video earlier this week on his “new mission,” highlighting the six national championships and 36 NFL first round picks during his time at Alabama and LSU.
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Cochran, meanwhile, clearly won’t hesitate to use his time at Alabama to bolster Georgia’s recruiting efforts, including against his former boss.
Nice to see Cochran fits right in with Kirby and the Georgia way.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 10:39 am to diddlydawg7
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I thinks it’s more to do with his reputation.
And every fanbase's inherent desire to believe that everything that happens is beneficial and/or planned.
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