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re: I'm seeing/hearing lots about Saban being outcoached
Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:30 am to stomp
Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:30 am to stomp
Other coaches get paid a lot of money too...we were out coached, I think we had mismatches that were hard to overcome but still strategically we were poor. It’s okay Saban is the best but he just was out thought that night
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:36 am to 615tider
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Who made Lupoi and Locksley coordinators?
So were those shitty hires all year or just against Clemson?
As far as Lupoi is concerned, yes, all year for the most part. We had a couple of shutouts, but his performance has been the worst by a DC in the Saban era.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:38 am to prevatt33
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Tosh built a top 7 defense
Playing shitty offenses didn't hurt.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:49 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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"They're running some copycat stuff." The translation there is we prepared for what Clemson does on offense. What Clemson did is basically take looks that our opponents ran this year that gave us trouble, and did that.
Yeah, I'd say we got out-coached in preparation; that's really the first game I can recall where I've thought that while Saban's been here. We watched Clemson's game film and prepared for that; and Clemson threw some stuff at us that we didn't see on film. On defense, Venables mentioned they ran 'cloud coverage', something they hadn't done all year, and it obviously confused Tua at times. On offense, they ran some copycat stuff and showed some different formations; seemed like several times our D was confused and either not in place or looking towards the sideline when the ball was snapped...
On the other hand, seems like what Clemson saw on our game film is the same thing they saw during the game...we didn't really throw anything new at 'em...
I'd been telling co-workers throughout the season that I thought a good way to attack the Bama defense would be to watch our Arkansas game film...while we were in no danger of losing that game, I think Morris attacked our D the right way: multiple formations, swing passes to the RBs, passing to big physical receivers (in the Arky game, it was their TEs). Didn't see any teams really attack us that way till the UGA game...and then Okie added to it with lots of back-shoulder throws...
I was a little surprised by Saban's copycat comment at halftime...I would think that weaknesses that other teams exploited would be something to work on in the practices leading up to the playoffs...seems natural that other teams would try something similar after seeing it on film...
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:39 am to OldPete
Clemson definitely ran the Arkansas gameplan on offense. People forget Chad Morris was Dabo's OC at Clemson from 2011-2014.
Dabo was 19-15 in the 3 years before Morris got there and went 10-4, 11-2, 11-2, and 10-3 (42-11) in the 4 years he had with Morris.
Bringing in Chad Morris and Brent Venables as the coordinators is what lead the Clemson revival.
Dabo was 19-15 in the 3 years before Morris got there and went 10-4, 11-2, 11-2, and 10-3 (42-11) in the 4 years he had with Morris.
Bringing in Chad Morris and Brent Venables as the coordinators is what lead the Clemson revival.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 10:52 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:26 am to DLev45
The coaches have responsibilities but so do the players and more than one player on the defense can tell you perfectly what went wrong. I understand Saban's philosophy for the Clemson game and it makes sense. Now, I do believe due to injury we had players in place that couldn't execute that gameplan at this time. I don't buy into the media when they praise us and I'm not buying into the media as they write our obituary.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:33 pm to OldPete
I remember the last time Bama played (lost to) Utah, and one of the analyst mentioned that UM talked with Belichick and he told Kyle Whittingham that "Saban does not change who he is. He believes that his team can out execute you and if you change your approach and plan to stop him, you can beat him."
So seems CU used what had worked against Bama during the year and their team "out executed" Bama when it came to being stopped.
I firmly believe that without the Pick 6, the game would have most likely gone another way. And if the DL had been rotated a bit more (ie Ray for Buggs) and the ILBs had been able to play (yes I know they were on the field, but I do not believe they have played yet) there may have been a bit different outcome also.
So seems CU used what had worked against Bama during the year and their team "out executed" Bama when it came to being stopped.
I firmly believe that without the Pick 6, the game would have most likely gone another way. And if the DL had been rotated a bit more (ie Ray for Buggs) and the ILBs had been able to play (yes I know they were on the field, but I do not believe they have played yet) there may have been a bit different outcome also.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:36 pm to BamaGradinTn
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You could make the point that everything that went wrong had to do with Saban.
Who made Lupoi and Locksley coordinators?
I understand that people often use this logic, but I’m not a fan of the notion that because a head coach exists, all others are absolved of accountability for their mistakes. If that was the case only supervisors should get fired when someone into the company screws up.
Life doesn’t work like that. Football shouldn’t either.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:38 pm to nb200016
Supervisors should. Buck stops at the top and blaming those beneath is merely scapegoating for the failures of those at the top.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:41 pm to Tider95
There is plenty to blame to go around for that piece of crap game.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:44 pm to 14&Counting
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There is plenty to blame to go around for that piece of crap game.
Agreed, blame goes around, but it's reductive to blame it all on the Assistants or players or Saban as I've seen done.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:49 pm to Tider95
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Buck stops at the top and blaming those beneath is merely scapegoating for the failures of those at the top.
Bad logic. Any good leader must delegate responsibility. It's a basic tenet of teamwork. And it's literally impossible to predict the performance of each human. It's also illogical for the boss to be expected to prevent any and all team mistakes before they happen, as well as be both omniscient and omnipresent.
Sure, if a boss is shown long term to create teams that produce bad results, then the boss is certainly at direct fault. But no boss can create, direct, and maintain a perfect team through frequent turnover and the fact the humans are infallible.
Saban is obvioulsy one of the best CEOs and leaders on the F'ing planet, and has revolutionized many aspects of both football and leadership/motivation.
This "blaming" shite for a 14-1 season needs to stop. Hell, I'll take the blame. Blame me for 14-1. That's cream baby, because if you blame me for the 1 loss, you have to credit me for the 14 wins.
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:52 pm to Tider95
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Agreed, blame goes around
Blame for what?
Bama didn't underperform or underachieve.
What they didn't do was meet fan expectations, but that's different.
14-1 with this team and this schedule was likely overachieving, but some of you guys (not calling any specific person out) are too butthurt over the loss to see it.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:41 pm to 615tider
I think it depends on the outcome. If his choices work, he’s a genius. If they don’t, the sky is falling. If he puts Tua in last year in final game and he flops, Saban would have been crucified for bailing on Jalen. I think it’s just perspective, maybe?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:44 pm to prevatt33
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What they didn't do was meet fan expectations, but that's different.
14-1 with this team and this schedule was likely overachieving, but some of you guys (not calling any specific person out) are too butthurt over the loss to see it
Yep. We were all pissed because Brian Kelly beat out Saban for the COY award. This season was one of his best coaching jobs. Funny how one game can change perspectives.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 4:27 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Funny how one game can change perspectives.
I wouldn't say my perspective has neccesarily changed on the long-term outlook: I certainly don't expect to win every game and wouldn't have been at all surpised by the loss.
Its the way we lost. That was just a complete and utter beat-down. We were just so out of it in every single facet of the game and no answers. The team isn't better than Clemson this year but Good Lord that was a really bad showing for Alabama.
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