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re: I'm pumped as hell that Najee is maybe probably possibly fluidly coming back
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:16 pm to prevatt33b
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:16 pm to prevatt33b
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Everyone has a ceiling. No one continues to get better into perpetuity. Think is a compliment, not an insult, but I think Najee is at or really close to his ceiling as a junior. I can't say that our other RBs are at or close to their ceilings. We could have 2 NFL Hall of Famers on the RB depth chart - we don't know.
I think that the biggest unknown is how good is Trey Sanders. His ceiling is clearly sky high, from everything we've been told and read.
The good news is, if he is truly great and bursts onto the scene.........he'll get the carries. And at that point Najee is more of a banger back who gets 9-12 carries a game. And I think that he is better at that than Brian Robinson, who has also reached his ceiling IMHO.
So, I guess my general premise is........I don't see any downside, but I do see some nice upside.
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:19 pm to prevatt33b
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It's funny that you think BRob will be 4th or 5th on the depth chart in 2020, after being second in 2019. What about Bama under Saban makes you think this will happen?
I think that Brian has hit his ceiling (as you noted you thought Najee has) and that Sanders will take that #2 or co-#1 spot, and I think Keilan is going to have a specific role for his skillset. I'm not sure where Brian fits in that.
I'm not sure it's as straightforward as #1-4 on a singular depth chart.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:22 pm to prevatt33b
Nobody is saying that. Everybody is saying that we have no idea if any of them are as good as Najee Harris.
Except you are somehow positive of it.
Except you are somehow positive of it.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I'm super excited about both Robinsons. I think Brian is good and will get even better, and I think Keilan can give us some of what Jacobs and Drake gave us with speed to the edge and working out of the slot.
Congrats to Najee for having a great final 2/3 of 2019, but using that to poopoo Brob is crazy. Brian Robinson can play and should take yet another step forward in 2020. Acting like he's not good is just silly.
Congrats to Najee for having a great final 2/3 of 2019, but using that to poopoo Brob is crazy. Brian Robinson can play and should take yet another step forward in 2020. Acting like he's not good is just silly.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:25 pm to prevatt33b
He’s not nearly as good as Harris. This is evident.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:25 pm to prevatt33b
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Congrats to Najee for having a great final 2/3 of 2019, but using that to poopoo Brob is crazy. Brian Robinson can play and should take yet another step forward in 2020. Acting like he's not good is just silly.
Well, I could say the same about your opinion that Najee has hit his ceiling, because I don't think he has and think he can take a step forward in 2020.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:26 pm to Bham Bammer
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Nobody is saying that. Everybody is saying that we have no idea if any of them are as good as Najee Harris.
Except you are somehow positive of it.
No, I am saying and have said repeatedly that I think the chances are extremely high that we'd get pretty similar production from our 2020 RB corp as a whole without Harris, and therefore our Title chances would not decrease significantly if Najee Harris had gone to the NFL.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Well, I could say the same about your opinion that Najee has hit his ceiling, because I don't think he has and think he can take a step forward in 2020.
You could, but you'd be disagreeing with nearly all of the NFL draft analysts and NFL scouts I've heard discuss Najee recently. And I've heard several.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:30 pm to prevatt33b
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You could, but you'd be disagreeing with nearly all of the NFL draft analysts and NFL scouts I've heard discuss Najee recently. And I've heard several.
And I've read multiple NFL scouts have said that he absolutely can improve his stock by slightly increasing his speed and playing a full year of ball like he did the 2nd half of 2020. I'm not sure why it's fine to say Brian Robinson has a ton of untapped potential but Najee Harris doesn't.
Anyway, I'm excited about having Najee back. I think he's a dude and is going to be a huge piece to 2020. He clearly got better, more comfortable and saw things better as 2020 went on, and he gets to run behind 4 of the 5 guys he got comfortable with last year.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:30 pm to Bham Bammer
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He’s not nearly as good as Harris. This is evident.
What's evident is that Harris was better from mid-October on in 2019. 2020 will be a different year.
Hell, Christian Harris could be the best ILB on the team in 2020. We don't know what these kids are gonna do.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:33 pm to prevatt33b
I think you just like to argue or disagree.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Not sure the exact reason as to why, but BRob did not look as good as last year . Had a few nice runs against UM but didn’t look as explosive
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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And I've read multiple NFL scouts have said that he absolutely can improve his stock by slightly increasing his speed and playing a full year of ball like he did the 2nd half of 2020
All I ever heard is that he could lower his forty time, but nearly everyone I heard talk about him has said his skill set is impressive and varied, and he is what he is. And that was a universal compliment. I heard not one person say that wanted more film on Najee. Multiple folks literally used the word ceiling when describing him, and still said he was a low 1st/high 2nd round pick and that they were not insulting the kid.
Most doubted his ability to get faster, also.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:36 pm to Syd
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I think you just like to argue or disagree.
When there's an enjoyable discussion to be had, sure. And what's the point of a discussion if all parties agree? That sounds horribly boring.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:41 pm to prevatt33b
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What's evident is that Harris was better from mid-October on in 2019.
Harris has been better since they stepped on campus. It didn’t start in October of this year.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:48 pm to Bear88
Just don't think B-Rob is that good of a RB.
Probably 4th best on the team right now, will drop even more when those incoming RB recruits enroll.
Probably 4th best on the team right now, will drop even more when those incoming RB recruits enroll.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 2:57 pm to Bham Bammer
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Harris has been better since they stepped on campus. It didn’t start in October of this year.
I think Harris got more opportunities with the 1s; I don't think Harris was very much better that BRob until the final 2/3 of 2019.
I also think this board's plummeting opinion of BRob is unfounded and piss-poor groupthink based on comparisons to Harris in a handful of games - games in which the split wasn't close to 50-50 when the foot was on the gas. I'm also confident that if Harris had gone down with injury in 2019, BRob and Co. would've gotten the job done.
I'm happy to eat crow if BRob is not part of the main 3-man rotation in 2020 and is an afterthought from here on.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:13 pm to prevatt33b
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I also think this board's plummeting opinion of BRob is unfounded and piss-poor groupthink based on comparisons to Harris in a handful of games
I think the Brian has gotten hit at the line more often than Najee but that Najee has proven to be better at getting yards after contact and at getting positive yardage more often.
I don't think Brian is bad or awful or anything, I just don't think he's quite as good as Najee and his style doesn't lend to having a different type of role as it is similar to Najee's.
2019 Stats vs P5 teams
Yards Before Contact (OL Stat)
Najee Harris : 2.58
Brian Robinson : 1.74
Yards After Contact (RB Stat)
Najee Harris : 3.21
Brian Robinson : 2.95
Broken Tackle %
Najee Harris : 35.5%
Brian Robinson : 32.9%
Negative Run %
Najee Harris : 11.2%
Brian Robinson : 13.7%
Success Rate
Najee Harris : 59.2%
Brian Robinson : 53.4%
Explosive Run %
Najee Harris : 21.9%
Brian Robinson : 15.1%
2018 Stats vs P5 teams
Yards Before Contact (OL Stat)
Najee Harris : 2.51
Brian Robinson : 1.44
Yards After Contact (RB Stat)
Najee Harris : 3.15
Brian Robinson : 2.37
Broken Tackle %
Najee Harris : 28.4%
Brian Robinson : 27.9%
Negative Run %
Najee Harris : 12.2%
Brian Robinson : 16.3%
Success Rate
Najee Harris : 50.0%
Brian Robinson : 44.2%
Explosive Run %
Najee Harris : 18.9%
Brian Robinson : 11.6%
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I get the statistical difference in 2019. Najee had a better year, no doubt. I just think BRob, assuming he was healthy, would've had nice production this year had he gotten the bell cow's carries and been the focus when the offensive foot was on the gas.
Posted on 1/14/20 at 3:21 pm to prevatt33b
Bottom line is we are a better team with Najee than without him so I hope he stays
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