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I heard an interesting money stat listening to ESPNU this morning - Pay for Play Related
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:27 am
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:27 am
Greg McElroy and Danny Kanell had the head coach of Appalachian State on this morning and they asked his opinion of the whole "Pay for Play" push.
He brought up the jersey sales for Texas A&M during the Johnny Manziel era as an example of players may not be getting what they think at the end of this deal.
So, I decided to do a little research once I got to work and I found this article from Forbes that was posted two weeks ago. To say it's interesting is an understatement.
Is The Fair Pay To Play Act More Moral Victory Than Jackpot For Student Athletes?
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Um, are they just going to write every student athlete on campus a $100 check?
He brought up the jersey sales for Texas A&M during the Johnny Manziel era as an example of players may not be getting what they think at the end of this deal.
So, I decided to do a little research once I got to work and I found this article from Forbes that was posted two weeks ago. To say it's interesting is an understatement.
Is The Fair Pay To Play Act More Moral Victory Than Jackpot For Student Athletes?
Highlights:
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In 2013, the NCAA and conferences around college athletics removed their intellectual property from EA Sports games. I covered the situation for ESPN at the time, and several schools broke down for me exactly what they’d received for the EA Sports “NCAA Football” video game in 2012-13.
Here is a sample from the schools that shared their data with me:
- Louisville: “NCAA Football”: $85,845; “NCAA Basketball”: $26,594
- UCLA: “NCAA Football”: $57,230; “NCAA Basketball”: $26,593
- Clemson: “NCAA Football”: $85,845; “NCAA Basketball”: 18,616
- Wisconsin: “NCAA Football”: $143,076; “NCAA Basketball”: $26,593
- Texas A&M: “NCAA Football”: $57,000; “NCAA Basketball”: $18,615.80
With revenue from the game being split between so many parties, from the NCAA to conferences and schools, it simply didn’t add up to much for any one entity. At the time, the EA Sports licensing revenue accounted for 5.3% of total licensing revenue at Louisville and just 1.9% at Texas A&M.
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In 2012-13, Texas A&M made just $59,690 on jersey sales at the height of Johnny Manziel’s popularity and fresh off his Heisman Trophy win. That number includes sales of No. 12 jerseys, a popular number for the Aggies, and includes all sports, not just football. Under its contract with Adidas, Texas A&M received just 10% of the wholesale price at the time. Across the country, data showed an average of $3-4 made my athletic departments per jersey sold.
Here’s a sampling that includes other schools during the same time period (which includes revenue from all jerseys sold, not just football):
Texas A&M: $59,690
West Virginia: $56,728
Wisconsin: $47,437
Clemson: $12,375
Um, are they just going to write every student athlete on campus a $100 check?
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:45 am to TideSaint
But to the rescue comes Big Bob of Big Bob AutoSales in BFE Texas and he has an understanding with all the Johnny 5-Stars that he'll put you in a commercial if you sign with his favorite team and that commercial pays 50K.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:02 am to TideSaint
Its pretty clear that there's no real viable plan or solution to this, including the "Olympic Model" that so many people just lazily regurgitate. Even if you just removed the schools from the equation and simply gave the athletes the ability to find a way to make money on their own, it's a Pandora's Box that would be impossible to control.
In the end, the crying and virtue signaling for all of this is really for the benefit of a small fraction of athletes that already get a ton of value out of the system as it is.
In the end, the crying and virtue signaling for all of this is really for the benefit of a small fraction of athletes that already get a ton of value out of the system as it is.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:32 am to TideSaint
About those TV commercials, let's take a look back at the recent Regions Bank commercial with Scott Cochran.
What things are noticeably absent from this commercial?
What things are noticeably absent from this commercial?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:34 am to BamaGradinTn
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What things are noticeably absent from this commercial?
No Alabama logos but plenty of Nike ones. That's interesting.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:49 am to FairhopeTider
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No Alabama logos
No Alabama logo on either Cochran or Saban's shirt.
No mention of the University of Alabama whatsoever. He's "Scott Cochran...Football Strength Coach" not "Alabama Strength Coach".
If at some point a few players are able to appear in commercials, they won't be able to wear the team's apparel...including the jersey...nor will mention of the fact that they play for the team be able to be made.
How many players are going to be able to make any significant money in a commercial without the logo, the jersey, or even the team's name? Very, very few.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:54 am to FairhopeTider
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plenty of Nike ones. That's interesting.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nike actually paid Cochran and Saban.
Brand placement. Lots of companies paid HBO and The Sopranos, for example.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:04 am to FairhopeTider
yep, if people think the playing field isnt level now, this
thing will just tilt it even more to the schools with big money boosters. And it will be a mess. You might as well just do away with ncaa compliance and let them all be professional college players. Let the bidding begin.
thing will just tilt it even more to the schools with big money boosters. And it will be a mess. You might as well just do away with ncaa compliance and let them all be professional college players. Let the bidding begin.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:56 am to TideSaint
It doesn't matter if it's $0.01, $100 or $1,000,000. This is capitalist America. They should make money off their likenesses.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:11 am to stomp
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It doesn't matter if it's $0.01, $100 or $1,000,000. This is capitalist America. They should make money off their likenesses.
That's fine.
But the point of the thread is that there doesn't appear to be millions of dollars in revenue coming from jersey sales and video games like people originally thought.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:20 am to stomp
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It doesn't matter if it's $0.01, $100 or $1,000,000. This is capitalist America. They should make money off their likenesses.
They do.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:21 am to TideSaint
I've been pointing out those jersey sales numbers for years, but nobody ever seems to care.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:08 pm to TideSaint
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But the point of the thread is that there doesn't appear to be millions of dollars in revenue coming from jersey sales and video games like people originally thought.
Even if there was money to be made from jersey sales, even with the California law, the player would be entitled to absolutely nothing. Federal copyright law trumps state law all day long. Again, see the Cochran commercial. Cochran can command enough money from his own appearance and his notoriety without an Alabama logo or even a mention of the school but very few players in America could. He isn't entitled to wear an Alabama polo or be called "Alabama coach" in the commercial.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:09 pm to stomp
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It doesn't matter if it's $0.01, $100 or $1,000,000. This is capitalist America. They should make money off their likenesses.
And what percentage of that would the athlete pay back to the school for promotional fees?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:49 pm to AlaBayouBama
I was in Napa Valley last week, a buddy had invited me to a new line they were producing. It was wonderful minus this old bird from UCLA sitting next to me. She saw my Bama ring and immediately wanted to know about everything Alabama and then asks what I think about players getting paid. I wasn’t quite sure how much she knew so my usual response is they get a nice full ride along with meals and everything they wear etc.
She then says the school makes so much profit that the players should get paid. Besides the fact not all schools are equal and that Alabama’s football revenue pays for a lot of other Alabama athletics. I went to the purity of the game and how that would possibly compromise the love of the game with money aside. I then asked how much they should get and she had no answer. I also said should the star players like the QB and WR’smake more? And the OL less? Again no answer. She then basically admitted she was a Socialist and was 100% on board with redistribution of wealth. Our convo ended there. Her 5’5’ husband weighing in at a clean 400 lbs basically just did the ole support the crazy wife bit and kept eating. He had at least 8 slices of bread btw.
She then says the school makes so much profit that the players should get paid. Besides the fact not all schools are equal and that Alabama’s football revenue pays for a lot of other Alabama athletics. I went to the purity of the game and how that would possibly compromise the love of the game with money aside. I then asked how much they should get and she had no answer. I also said should the star players like the QB and WR’smake more? And the OL less? Again no answer. She then basically admitted she was a Socialist and was 100% on board with redistribution of wealth. Our convo ended there. Her 5’5’ husband weighing in at a clean 400 lbs basically just did the ole support the crazy wife bit and kept eating. He had at least 8 slices of bread btw.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:47 pm to TideSaint
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But the point of the thread is that there doesn't appear to be millions of dollars in revenue coming from jersey sales and video games like people originally thought.
I'm not sure I've seen anyone in favor of this proposal argue they would be getting a huge amount of money. The only people I've seen mention it are those opposed to it because of the possible corruption it might create.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:48 pm to CrimsonBoz
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She then basically admitted she was a Socialist and was 100% on board with redistribution of wealth.
Did you ask her to pick up your tab?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:51 pm to The Spleen
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I'm not sure I've seen anyone in favor of this proposal argue they would be getting a huge amount of money.
I've seen numerous people claim the schools are reaping huge sums of money from these jersey and video game sales.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:35 pm to BamaGradinTn
I would have but, mine and the Mrs was all free because of the relationship with the wine vineyard owner. Not kidding that place is amazing, the valley is like a non political super chill place. I was shocked.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:25 am to stomp
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It doesn't matter if it's $0.01, $100 or $1,000,000. This is capitalist America. They should make money off their likenesses.
That's the thing. Players may get paid a little for their likeness (as in commercials/billboards and stuff), but not much. The big money will come from rich boosters for their "likeness". Guaranteed cash pay-out for a kid to come to Alabama. All they have to do is sign a napkin for an autograph.
It will be paying players to go pick a specific school and the ones with the deepest pockets will win.
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