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How to keep assistant coaches?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:19 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:19 am
Seeing Clemson have essentially the same coaching staff for a decade and watching Bama have a new OC every year, got me thinking. Could Saban make the move to lock his coaches in for a three or four year period.
Maybe a non-compete type deal, or increase their buyouts so much that another school won't take them. Maybe something else that will keep guys around for some extended period of time?
I'm sure you'd have some guys that wouldnt want to agree, but I'd imagine the line to join the Saban coaching tree is long. Bound to be one guy who is willing to stay for more than a hot minute.
Is this even possible?
Maybe a non-compete type deal, or increase their buyouts so much that another school won't take them. Maybe something else that will keep guys around for some extended period of time?
I'm sure you'd have some guys that wouldnt want to agree, but I'd imagine the line to join the Saban coaching tree is long. Bound to be one guy who is willing to stay for more than a hot minute.
Is this even possible?
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:20 am to The Johnny Lawrence
How do you know he is not doing that? He is the one who decides who get to stay and go.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:33 am to The Johnny Lawrence
I think that’s the side effect of Saban and his process. As long as we are successful, other programs will be poaching our top staff. Working for Saban is such a meat grinder that assistants are willing to put up with it knowing that it will ultimately land them a better role.
Of course it’s be great to have a “family” type atmosphere that Dabo has which seems to lead to more stability but that just isn’t how Saban operates and I don’t know of Dabo could have that same model if Clemson were in the SEC.
Of course it’s be great to have a “family” type atmosphere that Dabo has which seems to lead to more stability but that just isn’t how Saban operates and I don’t know of Dabo could have that same model if Clemson were in the SEC.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:39 am to Panthers4life
I have no idea if he is doing that. If he is the one jettisoning OCs every year, I'd have a question about his hiring practices and not his retention.
I get that turnover is part of being the best and everyone wanting what you have, but is there any way to stop it.
I get that turnover is part of being the best and everyone wanting what you have, but is there any way to stop it.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:41 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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I get that turnover is part of being the best and everyone wanting what you have, but is there any way to stop it.
Yeah, hire coaches that no one else wants.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:47 am to pvilleguru
Crazy thing about Clemson is besides their DC no one is even mentioned it seems...those two offense coaches came up with the best game plans iv ever seen against us in the last two title games we lost.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:51 am to BamaBoynATL
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Crazy thing about Clemson is besides their DC no one is even mentioned it seems...those two offense coaches came up with the best game plans iv ever seen against us in the last two title games we lost.
Yeah it is not just Venables. Jeff Scott the Co-OC has been on Clemson's staff since 2008 and has been the OC since 2015. Tony Elliott the other Co-OC has been on Clemson's staff since 2011 and has been the OC since 2015. Both Scott and Elliott are also Clemson grads so they could be settled in for a long time.
Venables is very unique in that he is maybe the top DC in the country, could be a HC but has no desire to do so. Jeff Scott and Tony Elliott may end up being the same way although they are both young and probably just now getting into position where serious HC offers could be coming their way.
To have THREE really good coordinators at the same time that don't seem to have a desire move on to a HC job is crazy.
And then it is not just the coordinators the assistants have longevity too and aren't moving on to coordinator positions elsewhere:
-Brandon Streeter (QB coach and recruiting coordinator): on staff since 2014
-Robbie Caldwell (OL coach) on staff since 2011
-Mike Reed (DB coach) on staff since 2013
-Danny Pearman (TE and Special Teams coach) on staff since 2008
Dabo has found a unique mix of guys that are really good at their position who don't seem to care about advancing so they are staying put.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:04 am to elposter
Guys, the real solution is hiring assistants that ONLY want to be assistants. I.e., Jim Chavis, etc
Not suggesting him to be hired, only as an example of an assistant that don't have HC aspirations.
Not suggesting him to be hired, only as an example of an assistant that don't have HC aspirations.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:09 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Gundy had the same problem with his OCs at Okie State...his OC's were consistently gettin' poached after a year or two. He went and looked at Division II OCs and saw a school whose offense was putting up huge numbers and got their OC (Yurcich), and rather cheaply at that. He figured no one would want him for a while and he was right in that aspect; he just left for Ohio State this month after spending 6 years as OC at Okie State. Worked out well for Gundy as they had several top 10 passing offenses as well as 4 of the top 10 passing seasons in team history...
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At this point, I can only dream of Bama getting an OC that stays 6 years...compared to the revolving door it's been, 3 years would be nice...
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At this point, I can only dream of Bama getting an OC that stays 6 years...compared to the revolving door it's been, 3 years would be nice...
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:14 am to OldPete
Seriously! I thought we were going that direction with Pete Golding but he legit isn’t even the “official” DC yet and he had ole miss falling over themselves to hire him after less than a year.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:17 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Yes, let's hinder them from climbing up the coaching ladder. That will for sure have the best assistants dying to come work for him.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:27 am to The Johnny Lawrence
It's interesting we have two different but related threads going on right now. One is about the need for assistant coaching stability and the other is about how to get rid of our first year defensive coordinators. 
When the expectation is legitimately a national championship every year the stakes are high and a year of on the job training and possibly maturing/building for the future seems like a luxury we just don't have.
When the expectation is legitimately a national championship every year the stakes are high and a year of on the job training and possibly maturing/building for the future seems like a luxury we just don't have.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:30 am to The Johnny Lawrence
Hire coordinators like Venables who has no desire to HC.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:54 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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How to keep assistant coaches?
Hire bad ones.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:57 am to The Johnny Lawrence
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How to keep assistant coaches?
Lose a lot of games.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:02 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
I was listening to The Game and a guy Ryan brought on contributed to the environment. Dabo has his guys out the office by 6 most days. They get to spend a lot of time with family and take vactioms more often. A lot of the coaches coach little baseball an such too. They get paid well and have a good work/life balance.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:18 pm to The Johnny Lawrence
I said this before the Playoff and I still believe it now: It's ridiculous that a head coach has to deal with staff turnover management while preparing for the Playoff. I'm not sure what the answer is because it's hard to regulate.
I know that's a #bamaproblem and we're supposed to have the resources to mitigate those things, but I still think it's a major distraction that takes up a lot of bandwidth of a staff that's trying to win a national championship.
It's why I also think early signing day is an awful idea. Way too much on coaches' plates while the season is still technically going on.
I know that's a #bamaproblem and we're supposed to have the resources to mitigate those things, but I still think it's a major distraction that takes up a lot of bandwidth of a staff that's trying to win a national championship.
It's why I also think early signing day is an awful idea. Way too much on coaches' plates while the season is still technically going on.
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