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How does the defense adapt with 2 inexperienced players at MLB?
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:17 am
Many have said that they expect McKinney to make calls now, is that a legitimate solution?
The other big question is how does this effect what we do from a scheme standpoint. I've seen it mentioned that we might dumb things down, but I can't ever remember that really happening before. I don't think our defense is structured in a way where that is even really all that possible - the base aspects of it are difficult, and outside of completely moving away from it I think you kind of have to roll with it and hope the kids figure it out quickly. With that said, what are the options there?
The 2 positives are :
(1) Most seem to think Harris and Lee are both physically ready now and are very talented.
(2) This happened now and not in late September or early October. They will get 5 games against varying levels of talent and scheming to get comfortable and learn before we head to College Station, then another 2 games before we hit LSU in early November.
Add in DJ Dale and our 3 middle defenders in the Front 7 are all true freshmen.
The other big question is how does this effect what we do from a scheme standpoint. I've seen it mentioned that we might dumb things down, but I can't ever remember that really happening before. I don't think our defense is structured in a way where that is even really all that possible - the base aspects of it are difficult, and outside of completely moving away from it I think you kind of have to roll with it and hope the kids figure it out quickly. With that said, what are the options there?
The 2 positives are :
(1) Most seem to think Harris and Lee are both physically ready now and are very talented.
(2) This happened now and not in late September or early October. They will get 5 games against varying levels of talent and scheming to get comfortable and learn before we head to College Station, then another 2 games before we hit LSU in early November.
Add in DJ Dale and our 3 middle defenders in the Front 7 are all true freshmen.
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Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:20 am to SummerOfGeorge
I think that Carter might make all of the calls.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:21 am to Cobrasize
I think we all have to accept now that there will be 5-10 plays a game, especially this Saturday, where a running back hits an open hole on a read option or a cut back AND that there will be many drags/slants that we mis-cover.
Just accept it now.
Just accept it now.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
1. Either Simplify the defense
Or
2. Bring McKinney down to LB to make all calls
Or
2. Bring McKinney down to LB to make all calls
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:23 am to SummerOfGeorge
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How does the defense adapt with 2 inexperienced players at MLB?
I imagine very poorly.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:23 am to mistaken4193
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1. Either Simplify the defense
But I'm not really sure that's even an option. Our defense isn't complicated because we have a set of easy calls and hard ones......our defense is complicated because of how was shift to motions and routes and pattern match and all that. It's literally the base of our defense. I'm not sure you can really "scrap" that.
We've never done it before - didn't do it for Moses and Holcombe, didn't do it for Reuben a few years ago against WVU.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:25 am to Bryant91092
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I imagine very poorly.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
The good news is that they were performing so well in camp that they were both running with the 2nd group and Harris moved to starter when Josh M went down and Harris was on the 2nd team ahead of older players. That being said they have 2 weeks to get their feet wet.
The bad news is they only have two weeks to get their feet wet before we go to South Carolina. I know a lot of people seem to be writing of USC but they are an SEC team who can take advantage of the young guys. Plus we cannot rule out their QB being hung over and channeling his inner-manning on us like in 2010.
If we can get thru the first 3 games unscathed that will then give Harris and Lee another 3 weeks (Southern Miss, Ole Miss and a bye week) to learn on the job before we go to TAMU, then shite gets real.
My take is that we will know by the Ole Miss game what we have in those two and what type of adjustments/compensations that the coaches will have to make to cover any weaknesses that Harris and Lee may have.
The bad news is they only have two weeks to get their feet wet before we go to South Carolina. I know a lot of people seem to be writing of USC but they are an SEC team who can take advantage of the young guys. Plus we cannot rule out their QB being hung over and channeling his inner-manning on us like in 2010.
If we can get thru the first 3 games unscathed that will then give Harris and Lee another 3 weeks (Southern Miss, Ole Miss and a bye week) to learn on the job before we go to TAMU, then shite gets real.
My take is that we will know by the Ole Miss game what we have in those two and what type of adjustments/compensations that the coaches will have to make to cover any weaknesses that Harris and Lee may have.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
I think we're going to blitz the shite out of people and play in people's faces in the secondary. Basically what he did at LSU in the early 2000's. Maybe not quite to that extent, but more than we've become accustomed to. That doesn't necessarily simplify the scheme as a whole, but it does simplify the thinking aspect for a few and presents guys with a specific job rather than a "do this if they do that" decision in the chaos of a play. Less disciplined but more disruptive if I had to put it in a nutshell. If the offense doesn't have time to operate then they aren't going to succeed. We've got some animals at outside linebacker. Let them get after the quarterback and force him into quick decisions. There isn't a running game on the schedule that worries me.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:31 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I think we're going to blitz the shite out of people and play in people's faces in the secondary. Basically what he did at LSU in the early 2000's. Maybe not quite to that extent, but more than we've become accustomed to. That doesn't necessarily simplify the scheme as a whole, but it does simplify the thinking aspect for a few and presents guys with a specific job rather than a "do this if they do that" decision in the chaos of a play. Less disciplined but more disruptive if I had to put it in a nutshell. If the offense doesn't have time to operate then they aren't going to succeed. We've got some animals at outside linebacker. Let them get after the quarterback and force him into quick decisions. There isn't a running game on the schedule that worries me.
I love the hell out of that plan
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
Nickel & Dime package all game with DB blitzes.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The 2 positives are :
(1) Most seem to think Harris and Lee are both physically ready now and are very talented.
(2) This happened now and not in late September or early October. They will get 5 games against varying levels of talent and scheming to get comfortable and learn before we head to College Station, then another 2 games before we hit LSU in early November.
I don't think we'll need to make any changes to (or "dumb down") our defensive schemes, play calling, etc. I think Lee and Dale are probably as mentally ready as they are physically and Harris will catch up mentally pretty quickly. They mainly just need some college level game experience.
Shane Lee is very smart, has a high football IQ, great vision and instincts, and is a "bookworm" studying the playbook, film, etc. Lee and Dale arrived on campus last winter.
Lee, Harris and Dale may make a few mistakes in the first few games as they get settled in, but I think they'll be up to the task by the time we face tougher competition.
I hope the first few teams we play try to exploit the middle of our D-front. That'll provide good learning experience for Lee, Harris and Dale.
This post was edited on 8/29/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
Heck. We had that last year with Wilson and Moses.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
As much simplification as possible
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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(2) This happened now and not in late September or early October. They will get 5 games against varying levels of talent and scheming to get comfortable and learn before we head to College Station, then another 2 games before we hit LSU in early November.
Ahhh, but they are Bama ILBs, so at least one of them is sure to be lost to injury by game 4 or so.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:25 pm to DT55Forever1
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Heck. We had that last year with Wilson and Moses.
That is a good point - it'll be hard for the kids to be out of position anymore than Dylan and specifically Mack Wilson were last year against good teams.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The 1st 5 or six games will probably have bad ILB play, think 14 West Virginia or 17 Miss St type play. They should improve as the season goes on.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Let's not forget that we had a True Freshman start at ILB back in 2008 and 2009 and we did pretty well.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:40 pm to TideSaint
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Let's not forget that we had a True Freshman start at ILB back in 2008 and 2009 and we did pretty well.
Yea......next to an alpha, which was the situation before 4 hours ago and I think we were all pretty happy with it.
Little different now.
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