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Fishers tenure at fsu a failure
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:42 pm
Just wanted your guys opinions on whether or not you think Jimbo's tenure at fsu was a failure. He got them a championship but just looking at the condition of the program when he left. Plus he didnt compete for many championships, he wasnt in it every year. I kinda think his time there was a failure.
I guess part of that could be I'm comparing him to what Bama has done and maybe not from say an Arkansas pov. I think Arkansas would be happy with his record. But doubt any of us would like his record. He probably would have been gone from TTown long ago of he had became coach.
I guess part of that could be I'm comparing him to what Bama has done and maybe not from say an Arkansas pov. I think Arkansas would be happy with his record. But doubt any of us would like his record. He probably would have been gone from TTown long ago of he had became coach.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 12:43 pm
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:45 pm to BFANLC
Any tenure with a natty is not a failure.
Having said that, it was not a tenure that warranted $75 mil guaranteed.
Having said that, it was not a tenure that warranted $75 mil guaranteed.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:46 pm to BFANLC
While he didn't leave the program in good shape when he left, there are many schools, particularly in the SEC, that would trade a nattie, in addition to a play-off appearance, for up to 5 years of misery...so no, while not ideal, I wouldn't call it a failure...
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:49 pm to BFANLC
It wasn't a failure, but it certainly fell off a cliff after Jameis left.
He did a really good job the first 2-3 years coaching and recruiting. That 2013 team had monsters all over the place. However, the culture fell apart after it and he clearly started losing in recruiting. I don't know enough to know if the Jameis stuff was the REASON for the culture is or just part of it, but the timeline clearly showed things declining after he let Jameis be an idiot.
He did a really good job the first 2-3 years coaching and recruiting. That 2013 team had monsters all over the place. However, the culture fell apart after it and he clearly started losing in recruiting. I don't know enough to know if the Jameis stuff was the REASON for the culture is or just part of it, but the timeline clearly showed things declining after he let Jameis be an idiot.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think Jameis was a symptom of the overall culture at FSU under Jimbo.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:18 pm to Shaft Williams
I believe Jimbo recruited too many talented Characters but too few talented players with Character. I believe Butch Jones had a similar problem at 10RC.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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He did a really good job the first 2-3 years coaching and recruiting. That 2013 team had monsters all over the place. However, the culture fell apart after it and he clearly started losing in recruiting. I don't know enough to know if the Jameis stuff was the REASON for the culture is or just part of it, but the timeline clearly showed things declining after he let Jameis be an idiot.
Nailed it.
For years, I thought Jimbo should've been our first call after Saban. He was a proven commodity at an elite program with a National Championship. He built FSU back into an elite program after it got stale under Bowden. Plus he had a Saban pedigree. It checked all of the boxes. Then it just all went downhill.
It was probably a combo of the Jameis situation and whatever personal stuff Fisher had going on. Maybe Bowden left behind a good culture and organizational structure despite being a zombie on the sideline and Fisher successfully coasted off that his first few years. However, it was really clear to me that the way Fisher handled the Jameis situation was the line of demarkation. Fisher was kind of embarrassing during all of that. That's when he lost the program.
I don't blame A&M for doing what they did. If you have a chance to get a proven championship coach, you do it and I hope we do the same thing whenever Saban leaves. However, with that kind of contract, you better hope they have a Saban-like workethic. I think Jimbo was looking to get out of Tallahassee before the shite really it the fan.
Now watch Jimbo win the West next year....
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:24 pm to Shaft Williams
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I think Jameis was a symptom of the overall culture at FSU under Jimbo.
FSU has had a toxic culture for decades. Bowden let his players get away with pretty much everything too.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:25 pm to BFANLC
He won a natty at FSU so I'm going to say no
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:57 pm to FairhopeTider
You bring up some good points. I had forgotten about him getting divorced. I'm sure that put a lot of stress on him. Leaving fsu ,for him, may have been emotionally and mentally just as beneficial as the 75 mil was.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 2:00 pm to FairhopeTider
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However, it was really clear to me that the way Fisher handled the Jameis situation was the line of demarkation. Fisher was kind of embarrassing during all of that. That's when he lost the program.
Yep - it's rare that those things play out so publicly, but that entire Jameis situation was just embarassing for him. And you could see a kid that clearly thought he could do whatever he wanted and a coach that thought he could get away with ignoring it all or doing the least amount possible to make sure the kid stayed on the field.
I will NEVER forget the look on his face when Jameis trotted out of the locker room in his uniform for that game when he was suspended (Clemson maybe?).
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 3:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
IIRC, that Watson kid from Clemson got his CFB baptizing that night. FSU won with their backup QB from NJ and Watson went on to bigger and better things.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 4:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I will NEVER forget the look on his face when Jameis trotted out of the locker room in his uniform for that game when he was suspended (Clemson maybe?).
That’s the situation I was thinking of as well as Jimbo having some sort of come apart (not in the good Saban way) at the Bham QB Club when a reporter (Raita?) asked him about it all.
Could you imagine Saban just standing there with that look in that situation?
Whatever the case may be, FSU shouldn’t be this bad and the issues started on Fisher’s watch. However, I do wonder if FSU’s ceiling is lower than it once was. We really need them to pick it up because Clemson needs some sort of competition in that league.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 9:20 pm to FairhopeTider
FSU has a long way to go to get back on Clemson’s level. While Clemson was jumping into the facilities arms race with Alabama, FSU chose to go with the status quo and has fallen far behind the top tier. And there are plenty of rumors and stories out there that money is tight right now due to their recent lack of success. Add to that the serious need for some restocking the recruiting cupboard and FSU is probably a full graduation cycle away from being more than an occasional nuisance to Dabo.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 6:49 am to phil4bama
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FSU has a long way to go to get back on Clemson’s level. While Clemson was jumping into the facilities arms race with Alabama, FSU chose to go with the status quo and has fallen far behind the top tier. And there are plenty of rumors and stories out there that money is tight right now due to their recent lack of success. Add to that the serious need for some restocking the recruiting cupboard and FSU is probably a full graduation cycle away from being more than an occasional nuisance to Dabo.
While I totally agree Jimbo sort of lost control and kind of took a IDGAS attitude near the end. I think it was a multitude of things that caused it. Agree with the family issues (divorce) coupled with the constant fight for money in order to keep up with the arms race (recruiting/facilities/etc). I remember reading an email from one of the "Big Cheif" meetings when Jimbo took over from Bobby. Jimbo implemented a lot of the stuff he had learned from Saban. Hiring several nutritionist, changing the weight room stuff. Was sort of given a blank check for staff and was basically given everything he ask for. As stated earlier, a lot of it was Jimbo's fault, but if I have to go to work and beg my superiors for supplies to do my job.........I'm gonna eventually quit. I think a lot of what went on to get him to leave FSU, is a lot of what Bama dealt with after Bear retired. All the brass wants to do everything the same way they have done it for the past 30 years and still get great results. Times change and you have to change with them.
Posted on 12/11/19 at 7:23 am to Bolivar Shagnasty
As late as 2017, when we played them in Atlanta, they were for real and gave us more than we wanted. That said, injuries and being very dissatisfied with your job can get things spiraling in a hurry.
I've honestly been surprised that they haven't shown more consistency at College Station. He has thrown out there a few gems then just gets the brakes beat off. This discussion is hardly over but he still very much feels like a dangerous coach. He had a lot of momentum on the recruiting trail last season. If the recruits in Texas keep believing he may get it figured out. And the Longhorns did absolutely nothing to challenge that.
I've honestly been surprised that they haven't shown more consistency at College Station. He has thrown out there a few gems then just gets the brakes beat off. This discussion is hardly over but he still very much feels like a dangerous coach. He had a lot of momentum on the recruiting trail last season. If the recruits in Texas keep believing he may get it figured out. And the Longhorns did absolutely nothing to challenge that.
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