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re: Feel more comfortable with Mac than I did with Tua
Posted on 9/27/20 at 8:51 am to mistaken4193
Posted on 9/27/20 at 8:51 am to mistaken4193
Tua was a transcendent talent. There’s no questioning that fact. My reservations weren’t with Tua directly, but with what Tua represented. I got downvoted and pooh-poohed when I would point it out but Tua (more accurately, the offense we went to with Tua) made us soft. We turned into everything we used to make fun of about the Big 12 and other pass oriented programs.
Iron sharpens iron. Has there ever been 2 years in the Saban years with worse tackling than these past 2 seasons? Or 2 seasons where we got pushed around on the line of scrimmage on defense like we have while Tua was here. When your defense doesn’t face a physical attack in the spring and fall camps, that hard nosed mentality’s tough to develop. The Tua fanboys will never admit it but there was a huge price to pay for selling our soul for bright, shiny objects.
Iron sharpens iron. Has there ever been 2 years in the Saban years with worse tackling than these past 2 seasons? Or 2 seasons where we got pushed around on the line of scrimmage on defense like we have while Tua was here. When your defense doesn’t face a physical attack in the spring and fall camps, that hard nosed mentality’s tough to develop. The Tua fanboys will never admit it but there was a huge price to pay for selling our soul for bright, shiny objects.
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Posted on 9/27/20 at 8:53 am to SoFla Tideroller
You sir are CORRECT!!! We lost our grit and tenacity. Huh, pretty sure I said that already. We became what we despise. OU made over. Shhhh don’t tell these panty waist Tua fans, they’ll get offended. What was last night? Hard nosed smash mouth football. Looked aggressive. People will see this year what I mean.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 8:54 am to RescueT
Yeah tua was such a me guy that when he had hip surgery. He's asking how everyone else is doing and cheering them up. I dunno that's what our HC said and I believe him. Would a me guy show up on the sidelines for the AUB, and bowl game after the surgeries he had.
If you think he is built of glass don't know what to tell you. He had injuries, but he always came back from them and played HURT.
Going back to the thread, hope Mac balls the frick out, and I bet the me guy in Miami will be his #1 fan.
Disgusting when folks on here talk about a kids character. Me guy, please.
If you think he is built of glass don't know what to tell you. He had injuries, but he always came back from them and played HURT.
Going back to the thread, hope Mac balls the frick out, and I bet the me guy in Miami will be his #1 fan.
Disgusting when folks on here talk about a kids character. Me guy, please.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:30 am to FourThreeForty
Eh...
Tua is the best QB I've ever seen at Bama, and maybe the best pure passer I've ever seen, period. And, I was all Tua in The Great Quarterback Debate of 2018. All that said, sometimes I wondered how competitive he was and if he'd even be playing football if his father hadn't pushed him. It's really not fair to speculate from the outside. But, I do wonder.
As far as Mac, a lot of people have been underestimating his talent. He's not Tua, but I think he may be as good a passer as any QB saban has had not named Tua. And his competitive drive and leadership are evident. We can win big with him.
Tua is the best QB I've ever seen at Bama, and maybe the best pure passer I've ever seen, period. And, I was all Tua in The Great Quarterback Debate of 2018. All that said, sometimes I wondered how competitive he was and if he'd even be playing football if his father hadn't pushed him. It's really not fair to speculate from the outside. But, I do wonder.
As far as Mac, a lot of people have been underestimating his talent. He's not Tua, but I think he may be as good a passer as any QB saban has had not named Tua. And his competitive drive and leadership are evident. We can win big with him.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 9:49 am to RescueT
We never gave Tua when he was the starter a real Bama defense.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:15 am to Bamadoc
Yeah, I never got the “me” vibe from Tua. I loved the kid and enjoyed watching him spin it.
My reservations were the philosophical shift we underwent as a result of having Tua at QB. When it’s 3rd and 2 and you’re going 4-wide shotgun, you have no idea what you are doing as an OC.
My reservations were the philosophical shift we underwent as a result of having Tua at QB. When it’s 3rd and 2 and you’re going 4-wide shotgun, you have no idea what you are doing as an OC.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:19 am to RescueT
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Team chemistry was better with AJ,
I don't believe this for a second.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:23 am to RescueT
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Never single handedly led a team to a national championship.
Singlehandedly? Who the frick ever has?
Remarks like this just prove that you're a clueless idiot.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:25 am to Robot Santa
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I mean he literally threw a walk-off 42 yard TD pass in overtime of the national championship game. You must be a troll.
He's a clueless idiot.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:29 am to BamaGradinTn
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Singlehandedly? Who the frick ever has?
Yeah it’s basically impossible. As important as QB is, it’s still a team sport. No matter how good a QB is, they’re not winning it all with a shite tier supporting cast. This guy is acting like if Burrow played for Vandy last year, they would’ve won the NC.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:29 am to RescueT
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Someone disagrees with an opinion and it’s full melt.
Don't confuse laughing our asses off at your stupidity with "melting."
This post was edited on 9/27/20 at 10:30 am
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:30 am to 1BamaRTR
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This guy is acting like if Burrow played for Vandy last year, they would’ve won the NC.
Because he's dumber than dirt.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:30 am to FourThreeForty
Here's the thing, in my opinion...
People loved McElroy because he had that "game manager" label, yet was great when he needed to be and was the SECCG-MVP in a game where the reigning Heisman winner was on the other side. He also has the only undefeated championship season.
People loved Sims because everyone had written him off as a guy who couldn't pass and even suggested he change positions. Then 2014 happened. No QB in Alabama history had a bigger career turnaround, not to mention a bigger in-game turnaround than the 2014 Iron Bowl...one of the most exciting comebacks in Iron Bowl history.
People loved Coker for his grit and toughness and for winning the team over with his play coming off the bench vs. Ole Miss, and big-time plays at Auburn and vs. Clemson. You want to talk about leaders? Coker was a leader.
People loved Hurts for obvious reasons.
People loved Tua for 2nd and 26, his infectious smile and personality, and his raw talent and the excitement he brought to the game. We had never had a QB like him.
Then you have McCarron. Highly talented to be sure. Two NCs. But that's not the type of personality that many people are drawn when they talk about QBs that they "love". And team chemistry being better with McCarron? GTFO with that shite. A leader doesn't get in his All-American center's grill in a blowout win in a national championship and try to show him up on national television. And if he does, well guess what...if you're really a leader, then the A-A center just keeps his mouth shut and does what he's told, instead of shoving you and making you look like an idiot. A fundamental principle...if people don't follow, then you aren't leading, and Jones showed you right there all you needed to know. Better chemistry my arse.
Of course, those are just my opinions...just like the fact that there are twenty-somethings who love McCarron more just because of his chest tats. They're entitled to their opinion.
People loved McElroy because he had that "game manager" label, yet was great when he needed to be and was the SECCG-MVP in a game where the reigning Heisman winner was on the other side. He also has the only undefeated championship season.
People loved Sims because everyone had written him off as a guy who couldn't pass and even suggested he change positions. Then 2014 happened. No QB in Alabama history had a bigger career turnaround, not to mention a bigger in-game turnaround than the 2014 Iron Bowl...one of the most exciting comebacks in Iron Bowl history.
People loved Coker for his grit and toughness and for winning the team over with his play coming off the bench vs. Ole Miss, and big-time plays at Auburn and vs. Clemson. You want to talk about leaders? Coker was a leader.
People loved Hurts for obvious reasons.
People loved Tua for 2nd and 26, his infectious smile and personality, and his raw talent and the excitement he brought to the game. We had never had a QB like him.
Then you have McCarron. Highly talented to be sure. Two NCs. But that's not the type of personality that many people are drawn when they talk about QBs that they "love". And team chemistry being better with McCarron? GTFO with that shite. A leader doesn't get in his All-American center's grill in a blowout win in a national championship and try to show him up on national television. And if he does, well guess what...if you're really a leader, then the A-A center just keeps his mouth shut and does what he's told, instead of shoving you and making you look like an idiot. A fundamental principle...if people don't follow, then you aren't leading, and Jones showed you right there all you needed to know. Better chemistry my arse.
Of course, those are just my opinions...just like the fact that there are twenty-somethings who love McCarron more just because of his chest tats. They're entitled to their opinion.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:41 am to BamaGradinTn
So Saban isn’t a leader when he gets in players asses on the sideline or on the middle of the field? The only reason you don’t see a reaction is because they will get benched. Leaders lead. If the center is screwing up the line call and refuses to change it, you get in his arse. Barrett was one of our best o-linemen we’ve ever had. Also a leader of the o line where he got in their asses every game between plays. 2 leaders butting heads. That’s why those teams forced teams to quit. They weren’t okay with anything less than perfection. Yes, team chemistry was amazing.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:53 am to FourThreeForty
Jones was on point last night and I am saying that as someone concerned with him starting coming into the season. Missouri had a lot of returning experience on their D. Jones was patient and waited to finish the pass even though he was going to take a hit. He also showed the arm strength last night to make any throw that was called.
I think Bryce has what it takes but he needs another year in the system. Not having a spring hurt him.
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I’m also pretty hyped for Bryce Young despite his mistakes. He’s got a nice arm and he’s not scramble prone unless the play really truly has broken down. He has a bright future here.
I think Bryce has what it takes but he needs another year in the system. Not having a spring hurt him.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:00 pm to mistaken4193
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Tua is the best QB we have ever had.
I think he had the potential to be but I can not agree with this. Go ahead and down vote but his injuries hampered most of his chances. We can speculate on the what ifs all day but in the end he just never had a chance.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:04 pm to TideWarrior
Tua is the best Bama QB in program history and it's not close. I like and support Mac but Mac is being given the luxury of playing with what may be a great Bama defense opposite him. Tua didn't have that luxury.
Tua played on a Bama team with Saivion Smith as a contributor and part-time starter. Saivion wouldn't be able to play with this young secondary we have now.
Tua played on a Bama team with Saivion Smith as a contributor and part-time starter. Saivion wouldn't be able to play with this young secondary we have now.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:08 pm to TideWarrior
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Go ahead and down vote but his injuries hampered most of his chances.
Yes injuries hampered him but he still played and started every game in 2018. That 2018 season alone was easily the best one under Saban by a QB.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:33 pm to Shaft Williams
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Tua is the best Bama QB in program history and it's not close.
Based on what stats he put up or results over his career. Or are we comparing just 1 whole year vs anyone else's one whole season.
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I like and support Mac but Mac is being given the luxury of playing with what may be a great Bama defense opposite him. Tua didn't have that luxury.
I never compared Jones to Tua but if you want to lets talk about what Tua had in WRs and RBs that Jones or any other starting QB in the history of UA never had. I mean he had Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle, Smith, D Harris, J Jacobs, and N Harris. Lets not be naive here or blind.
I would assume Tua could have done the same thing with less like the other starting QBs that won NCs under Saban but we do not know that and can only provide an opinion with no facts to support it.
Yes Tua put up video game numbers and his instinct on reading defenses in my opinion are unmatched by any of the other QBs under Saban, but again my opinion there. And in regards to better defense who knows yet what will happen and Tua one could say hampered our defense with his ability to execute plays so quickly that resulted in points. Our D returned to the field with very little breaks in many of the games, especially in the first at how fast we could score. Again not Tua's fault like the injuries. The coaches called the plays.
This post was edited on 9/27/20 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:52 pm to TideWarrior
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Yes Tua put up video game numbers and his instinct on reading defenses in my opinion are unmatched by any of the other QBs under Saban, but again my opinion there. And in regards to better defense who knows yet what will happen and Tua one could say hampered our defense with his ability to execute plays so quickly that resulted in points. Our D returned to the field with very little breaks in many of the games, especially in the first at how fast we could score. Again not Tua's fault like the injuries. The coaches called the plays.
No. The talent on our defense while Tua was the starter dropped off significantly from previous Bama teams. Look at the NFL draft and who from our defense was drafted when Tua was the starter. I even made a post hinting at this with how the in-state crop of Alabama linebackers had gotten really bad. And, that's why our LB play had went down so significantly. But, now since Alabama is producing stud LBs again our LB recruiting has went up again and our defenses will be better because of this.
This post was edited on 9/27/20 at 1:36 pm
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