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Explain this to me: Iron Bowl since 1982
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:41 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:41 am
In 1982, Bear Bryant retired. He left having thoroughly dominated Auburn, losing 6 times during his 25 year tenure.
Let's compare the two programs since that time. Alabama has more national titles, conference titles, division titles, wins, bowl appearances, double-digit win seasons, ranked finishes, All-Americans, individual award winners, and NFL draft picks. I really can't conceive of any measure of program success where Auburn has outperformed Alabama.
Yet Auburn leads the head-to-head with Alabama in that time frame, 18-17.
If you extend the metric to all-time, Bama's leads over Auburn in the aforementioned categories are even greater. Alabama has been an exponentially more successful program, by any metric. But they only lead the Iron Bowl all-time by a margin of 45-36-1. That's just a .548 winning percentage, compared to Bama's overall winning percentage of .746 (discounting sanctions). Saban has an astonishing overall winning percentage of .867, but against Auburn it drops to .636
I don't see how any of this makes sense. Given the distance between these two programs, Bama should have a much tighter grip on this series.
Let's compare the two programs since that time. Alabama has more national titles, conference titles, division titles, wins, bowl appearances, double-digit win seasons, ranked finishes, All-Americans, individual award winners, and NFL draft picks. I really can't conceive of any measure of program success where Auburn has outperformed Alabama.
Yet Auburn leads the head-to-head with Alabama in that time frame, 18-17.
If you extend the metric to all-time, Bama's leads over Auburn in the aforementioned categories are even greater. Alabama has been an exponentially more successful program, by any metric. But they only lead the Iron Bowl all-time by a margin of 45-36-1. That's just a .548 winning percentage, compared to Bama's overall winning percentage of .746 (discounting sanctions). Saban has an astonishing overall winning percentage of .867, but against Auburn it drops to .636
I don't see how any of this makes sense. Given the distance between these two programs, Bama should have a much tighter grip on this series.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:44 am to CrimsonCrusade
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I don't see how any of this makes sense.
Rivalry games. You throw the stats out of the window.
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Given the distance between these two programs, Bama should have a much tighter grip on this series.
Bama is definitely the #1 program all time, but it's not like Auburn is a bottom feeder. Auburn is probably a top 15 all time program. Top 20 at the worst.
Also worth noting that the game wasn't played for 41 years, so a lot of potential wins are missing.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:45 am to CrimsonCrusade
Bama is AU’s biggest game every year. They win a lot of them when they are not the better team. They are the better team this year though.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:51 am to CrimsonCrusade
We have an 11 game win streak on UT, Ark, and MSU. 7 wins against LSU and 6 against Florida. The most we’ve been able to muster up against AU is 3.
Meanwhile they went 115 years with only one title. Then Saban comes along and suddenly AU wins one, plays for another, and now is in line to compete for one again.
I’ve said it before: Nick Saban is the best thing to ever happen to AU. They stepped up their game and don’t screw around when they feel like we are expanding the gap.
What’s amazing to me is two years ago they were in the Birmingham Bowl and practicing at a glorified Chuck-E-Cheese on Hwy 280. Last year they derailed at the end of the season. Their fans don’t like Gus and their AD was fired. Most programs start fish tailing like that and end up having a meltdown. Not AU. They soldier the frick on.
Meanwhile they went 115 years with only one title. Then Saban comes along and suddenly AU wins one, plays for another, and now is in line to compete for one again.
I’ve said it before: Nick Saban is the best thing to ever happen to AU. They stepped up their game and don’t screw around when they feel like we are expanding the gap.
What’s amazing to me is two years ago they were in the Birmingham Bowl and practicing at a glorified Chuck-E-Cheese on Hwy 280. Last year they derailed at the end of the season. Their fans don’t like Gus and their AD was fired. Most programs start fish tailing like that and end up having a meltdown. Not AU. They soldier the frick on.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:57 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Bama is definitely the #1 program all time, but it's not like Auburn is a bottom feeder. Auburn is probably a top 15 all time program. Top 20 at the worst.
Notre Dame leads USC by 10 games. Texas leads Oklahoma by 16. Bama leads Tennessee by 18. Bama leads LSU by 26. Just a few examples where historically better programs than Auburn are further behind in their rivalries.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:04 am to CrimsonCrusade
I can't explain it, but I can tell you I goddamn tired of it!
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:45 am to CrimsonCrusade
Easy. You have an administration, football program, and fanbase which made the decision to focus all efforts into challenging Alabama above all else every year- win the state, then worry about other things which may come. This was epitomized years back by the speech given by David Housel.
Alabama has not taken that approach. Say what you will, be it because Alabama focuses on championships and not individual opponents, Tennessee is just as big of a rival as Auburn, etc., etc. Whatever it is, Alabama doesn't put as much all-consuming emphasis on beating Auburn compared to what is received.
Personally, I would like for this to be different, but it is what it is at this point. For some reason, Saban seems to really dislike Tennessee. Go back to his days at LSU. Tennessee still fielded good teams during that time, as did Auburn. However, Saban struggled with Auburn but almost never missed the opportunity to get up for Tennessee. Granted, correlation is not causation, but I've always wondered if something was there with that apparent dichotomy.
Alabama has not taken that approach. Say what you will, be it because Alabama focuses on championships and not individual opponents, Tennessee is just as big of a rival as Auburn, etc., etc. Whatever it is, Alabama doesn't put as much all-consuming emphasis on beating Auburn compared to what is received.
Personally, I would like for this to be different, but it is what it is at this point. For some reason, Saban seems to really dislike Tennessee. Go back to his days at LSU. Tennessee still fielded good teams during that time, as did Auburn. However, Saban struggled with Auburn but almost never missed the opportunity to get up for Tennessee. Granted, correlation is not causation, but I've always wondered if something was there with that apparent dichotomy.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:38 am to LockDown
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Easy. You have an administration, football program, and fanbase which made the decision to focus all efforts into challenging Alabama above all else every year- win the state, then worry about other things which may come. This
This. While Alabama's goal is to play for the championships, Auburn's goal is to beat Alabama.
It's been like this forever. Hell, if they get to play for the SEC or natty, it's just gravy to them.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:54 am to CrimsonCrusade
That 41-year gap where we didn't play is why the series is as close as it is. Look at the program difference during those periods. The series would look a lot like LSU-Alabama had we played.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 10:58 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:57 am to CrimsonCrusade
Beating Alabama means more to them than us beating them.
It's the corner stone of their entire program.
Our goal is to win championships and they are just another obstacle in our way. I think our players and coaches underestimate how up they get for us.
It's the corner stone of their entire program.
Our goal is to win championships and they are just another obstacle in our way. I think our players and coaches underestimate how up they get for us.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 11:04 am to CrimsonCrusade
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Given the distance between these two programs, Bama should have a much tighter grip on this series.
If you go back and look at the records of the two teams during all those years we didn't play, you can infer that had we played all along, the gap would be wider. We had dominant teams during many of those years, and Auburn wasn't very good during many of them.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 11:10 am to CrimsonCrusade
Probation hurt us under CMS, gave the boogs 7 wins in a row. No way that happens otherwise.
We were also much better than the barn during the span we didn't play them. Threw off our lead a good bit:
Didn't play from 1908-1947.
BAMA's record during that time 266-74-20
AU's record during that time 196-136-10
National Titles during time-frame
BAMA - 5
AU - 0
Conf Titles during time-frame
BAMA - 4 Southern Conf, 4 SEC - 8
AU - 1 Southern Conf, 0 SEC - 1
Series record prior to stoppage - 3-2-1 BAMA
First game in the series restart - BAMA 55-0
We were also much better than the barn during the span we didn't play them. Threw off our lead a good bit:
Didn't play from 1908-1947.
BAMA's record during that time 266-74-20
AU's record during that time 196-136-10
National Titles during time-frame
BAMA - 5
AU - 0
Conf Titles during time-frame
BAMA - 4 Southern Conf, 4 SEC - 8
AU - 1 Southern Conf, 0 SEC - 1
Series record prior to stoppage - 3-2-1 BAMA
First game in the series restart - BAMA 55-0
Posted on 11/26/17 at 11:12 am to Crimson Wraith
Auburn had better coaches in that span. The three Mikes didn't help.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 11:16 am to RollTide4Ever
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Auburn had better coaches in that span. The three Mikes didn't help.
We were on severe probation, lost numerous key starters for half or more of seasons (Croyle, W. Britt, T. Castille), and yet they never beat us by more than 10 pts.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 11:20 am to CrimsonCrusade
Auburn was a better program after the Bear retired in the 80s from 83-89.
Stallings restored order a bit in the early to mid 90s, going 5-2.
Bama and Auburn wasn't that great from 97-01. Bama had a good year in 99, Auburn in 97. Bama went 3-2 in that time.
Sanctions almost ruined the Iron Bowl from 02-07 as the Barn dominated.
Since 08, Bama is 7-3 in the Iron Bowl, with the Barn winning every few years.
Bama should have won 9 straight against the Barn from 08-16. Those damn bullshite 10 and 13 Iron Bowls that Bama had no business losing.
Stallings restored order a bit in the early to mid 90s, going 5-2.
Bama and Auburn wasn't that great from 97-01. Bama had a good year in 99, Auburn in 97. Bama went 3-2 in that time.
Sanctions almost ruined the Iron Bowl from 02-07 as the Barn dominated.
Since 08, Bama is 7-3 in the Iron Bowl, with the Barn winning every few years.
Bama should have won 9 straight against the Barn from 08-16. Those damn bullshite 10 and 13 Iron Bowls that Bama had no business losing.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:20 pm to remaster916
Exactly, yesterday was the first real win they've had over us in a decade.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:46 pm to CrimsonCrusade
The game means more to Auburn. Seriously. They measure their season on beating us while we measure ours with championships.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 12:51 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Probation hurt us under CMS, gave the boogs 7 wins in a row. No way that happens otherwise.
6. They beat Franchione his last year. Actually, it looked like he gifted them the game, then hugging Tuberville at midfield, I thought he was going to make out with him, and I am pretty sure he did put his tongue in Wingnut's ear.
Then they beat Shula all 4 years, and Saban's first year. So 6, though that's bad enough.
edit: They won more games from 1982-1989 while they were cheating their asses off, and for which they were busted. Then they won more games after we were busted for cheating ourselves in the DuBose years. 4 of those losses, as noted, were vs Mike Shula, bless his heart. So only when they were cheating like crazy or when we were under severe scholarship limitations due to our stupidity, have they won more games since Bryant. And that now stands at 1 in their favor. I am pretty certain we will fix that next year.
They're going to win one every few years, in spite of hell. I remember the bizarre shite in 2010. Fumble bouncing straight down the sideline for 20 yards and out of the endzone. TR dropping a wide open pass on the goal line, the fumble at about the 3 that lay on the turf for what seemed like minutes, till their guy ran around 3 of our players and fell on it. Weird stuff.
Perkins split 2&2
Stallings won 5 of 7
DuBose split 2&2
Franchione 1&1
Saban now 7&4
Poor old Mike Shula and Billy Curry were winless.
Yes, I do realize most of you already know these things, but just to put things in perspective.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 1:27 pm to BamaGradinTn
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If you go back and look at the records of the two teams during all those years we didn't play, you can infer that had we played all along, the gap would be wider. We had dominant teams during many of those years, and Auburn wasn't very good during many of them.
True. But that doesn't impact what has happened since 82. I don't really think Auburn of the 80s was as far ahead of Bama as some do.
To those saying Auburn takes it more seriously - that's part of the problem. Obviously we don't want to base our program around beating them. But clearly treating them as another bump in the road isn't working either. If our players don't understand that the Iron Bowl is the biggest game of the regular season, that's a problem.
I really thought after the 08 win that Bama would put together a streak and get it under control, but it just hasn't happened.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 1:27 pm to CrimsonCrusade
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Just a few examples where historically better programs than Auburn are further behind in their rivalries.
Miami leads Florida State by 2, Georgia leads Florida by 7, Alabama leads Auburn by 9, Michigan leads Ohio State by 9, Notre Dame leads USC by 10, Texas leads Oklahoma by 16...
That's what makes them rivalry games
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