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Posted on 11/26/17 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 3:40 pm
Time of possession- LSU 34:07 Bama 25:53... 3rd downs 5 of 14
TOP- Mississippi State 38:56 Bama 21:04... 3rd downs 3 of 9
TOP- Auburn 36:02 Bama 23:58....
3rd downs 3 of 11
This is not game winning football. We used to dominate the line of scrimmage and methodically wear down the other team with a power rushing game and smart pass plays.
How does Coach go about correcting this? Does playing Tua fix our problems? Giving our running backs more carries? Playing different offensive linemen? Or is the problem with coaching? Honestly I have no clue.
Congrats to Auburn and Roll Tide.
TOP- Mississippi State 38:56 Bama 21:04... 3rd downs 3 of 9
TOP- Auburn 36:02 Bama 23:58....
3rd downs 3 of 11
This is not game winning football. We used to dominate the line of scrimmage and methodically wear down the other team with a power rushing game and smart pass plays.
How does Coach go about correcting this? Does playing Tua fix our problems? Giving our running backs more carries? Playing different offensive linemen? Or is the problem with coaching? Honestly I have no clue.
Congrats to Auburn and Roll Tide.
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 3:44 pm to Sticky37
Fire Brent Key, for sure. Start Tua. Consider firing Daboll.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 3:51 pm to Sticky37
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How does Coach go about correcting this? Does playing Tua fix our problems? Giving our running backs more carries? Playing different offensive linemen? Or is the problem with coaching? Honestly I have no clue.
A balanced offense fixes that problem. We've not had an efficient passing game so the good defenses don't have to defend it. I linked an article last week where Saban was talking about the fact that the coaching staff had cut the game plan down to where Hurts has only to read half the field on passing plays. He can't even do that effectively. So when the defense doesn't have to respect the passing game, it naturally impacts the running game. Our best offenses the last 11 years have been balanced offenses and it's no coincidence. Tua has exhibited that he can pass the ball effectively. He reads the field better, has a quick release, but also has good touch. He is also quite mobile.
Oh, and Auburn's offense looked good last night, eh? It was well balanced, pass and run.
edit: And yeah. The stats you post are indeed disconcerting.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:06 pm to Sticky37
It's playcalling, execution, coaching, and talent.
The feast or famine big plays Bama has forced itself to rely on kills the ability to kill time. Instead of having consistent drives early on, they had to pray for the big play with their backs against the wall late.
For whatever reason, there is no belief in a bellcow back to the likes of Derrick Henry. There are several quality backs on the roster, but they refuse to ride one consistently.
Cristobal's efforts as a coach have reared it's head as products of his teaching bubble to the top. He was phased out for a reason, he wasn't getting it done. That's what happens when you replace a coach with almost 20 years coaching OL in Stoutland with one with less than 5.
Key is in his 1st year coaching the entire OL, everything can't be undone from Cristobal overnight. It's like giving someone half cooked spaghetti and telling them to change it to lasagna. His imprint on the likes of Wills and Leatherwood will tell his story.
The feast or famine big plays Bama has forced itself to rely on kills the ability to kill time. Instead of having consistent drives early on, they had to pray for the big play with their backs against the wall late.
For whatever reason, there is no belief in a bellcow back to the likes of Derrick Henry. There are several quality backs on the roster, but they refuse to ride one consistently.
Cristobal's efforts as a coach have reared it's head as products of his teaching bubble to the top. He was phased out for a reason, he wasn't getting it done. That's what happens when you replace a coach with almost 20 years coaching OL in Stoutland with one with less than 5.
Key is in his 1st year coaching the entire OL, everything can't be undone from Cristobal overnight. It's like giving someone half cooked spaghetti and telling them to change it to lasagna. His imprint on the likes of Wills and Leatherwood will tell his story.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:09 pm to CrimsonCrusade
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Consider firing Daboll.
I'm gonna knight for Daboll, like most did for hurts.
There has been such a small sample size of his strategy on offensive to display. How can you question his play calling?
Hell, he may love 2 TE sets that have max protection.
That takes a Qb that can take a direct snap, and put a defense on it's heels with the passing game though.
Imagine if this were to happen how our running game would look then.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:14 pm to Lieutenant Dan
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There has been such a small sample size of his strategy on offensive to display. How can you question his play calling?
We have 12 games and no identity. We have a lot of problems on the offense. The offense looked almost the same against auburn that it did 13 weeks earlier against fla state.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:28 pm to Sticky37
This...
does not fix this...
About this...
who else would you play?
In the 2015 class we took a #67 rated 3 star OT...and he plays like it.
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Does playing Tua fix our problems? Giving our running backs more carries?
does not fix this...
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We used to dominate the line of scrimmage
About this...
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Playing different offensive linemen?
who else would you play?
In the 2015 class we took a #67 rated 3 star OT...and he plays like it.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:31 pm to Bamafan24
I can't understand why Saban would have Dabol cut the playbook down to help Jalen's style of play after letting Lane open it up and be pretty successful with it.Is he just being too stubborn and determined to live or die with Jalen just to end up with only 1 or 2 interceptions per year? Saban has shown he can adjust to the game changing offensively but we have too many skill players not to open it up a little more, not like a big 10 type offense but you can't be one dimensional and predictable,especially in your 9th or 10th game of the year,it will bite you in the arse.And if anyone can figure out the RB rotation PLEASE explain it to me because I cannot see the logic in the way we do it.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:33 pm to Lieutenant Dan
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I'm gonna knight for Daboll, like most did for hurts. There has been such a small sample size of his strategy on offensive to display. How can you question his play calling? Hell, he may love 2 TE sets that have max protection. That takes a Qb that can take a direct snap, and put a defense on it's heels with the passing game though. Imagine if this were to happen how our running game would look then.
I agree with this. I'm hoping this will end up being a transition year on our way back to making their asses quit with a strong running game and pro style passing. I think we were missing at least one tool to do that this year, and Saban may have needed to come up short again to decide to go back to what works for us.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 4:34 pm to Bamafan24
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We have 12 games and no identity.
Without the threat of downfield passing, it kinda becomes one dimensional.
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The offense looked almost the same against auburn that it did 13 weeks earlier against fla state.
Yep. I hoped our passing game would have opened up more by now. It hasn't.
Now I think Sark was a shitty playcaller, but don't you think it's funny that we saw a replay last night of what happened against clemson last year with a completely different OC?
A lot of rollout throwaways with a running game that's vanished.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:58 pm to Sticky37
TOP- A&M 32:28
Bama 27:32
3rd downs 4-14
Basically, every good to really good OL and DL we played dominanted us.
Bama 27:32
3rd downs 4-14
Basically, every good to really good OL and DL we played dominanted us.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 7:08 pm to Sticky37
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Giving our running backs more carries?
Harris isn't getting the ball enough. It's comical.
LSU...9 carries
Miss St...8 carries
Auburn...6 carries
I don't know the exact problem with Bama, but I know this definitely is not helping.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:04 pm to Sticky37
If you can't be at least OK on 3rd downs, you're going to lose most of the time.
All our struggles on offense stem from our inability to convert first downs. It's been a chronic problem for 2 years.
It's either the system or the QB or both.
All our struggles on offense stem from our inability to convert first downs. It's been a chronic problem for 2 years.
It's either the system or the QB or both.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:25 pm to IAmReality
Three different playcallers, same result. One constant.
Define the constant, define the problem.
In regard to time of possession differential, playing hurry up the entire game when the offense is going three and out continually doesn't help. Happened again last night all game long.
Define the constant, define the problem.
In regard to time of possession differential, playing hurry up the entire game when the offense is going three and out continually doesn't help. Happened again last night all game long.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:31 pm to IAmReality
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If you can't be at least OK on 3rd downs, you're going to lose most of the time.
How many of our 3rd downs are 3rd and long? What we do on the first 2 usually are the reason why we are in that situation and its to the def advantage with that.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:36 pm to Bamafan24
I can think of 3 third downs off the top of my head that 100 percent should have been converted by Ridley, Foster, and Scarbrough, but they just had extremely poor execution.
Those missed plays(among others), and all of the 3rd downs that our defense gave up made this the most frustrating game I think I have ever seen a Saban team play. I'm sure everyone of us were pulling our hair out
Those missed plays(among others), and all of the 3rd downs that our defense gave up made this the most frustrating game I think I have ever seen a Saban team play. I'm sure everyone of us were pulling our hair out
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:46 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I can think of 3 third downs off the top of my head that 100 percent should have been converted by Ridley, Foster, and Scarbrough, but they just had extremely poor execution.
Folks called Bo soft when he went down on that swing pass but that was a great tackle. Folks can say "oh well, Bo had 50 LBs on him..." but it was right at his feet. If it was an upper body tackle, I could understand.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:50 pm to UASports23
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Folks called Bo soft when he went down on that swing pass but that was a great tackle. Folks can say "oh well, Bo had 50 LBs on him..." but it was right at his feet. If it was an upper body tackle, I could understand.
Ugh, maybe you are right, but you just HAVE to expect Bo to get that one yard one on one with that guy in the open field. I feel like Harris, Jacobs, or Hurts would have.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 8:55 pm to Sticky37
Jebus Christ that is depressing. I knew the TOP was way off for State but the other games might explain why the defense was looking a step slow and not able to get any pressure on the QB without blitzing. They were wore out with the injuries also being a huge factor.
In my uneducated football mind I really thought Saban would try to slow the game down to keep the defense off the field.
In my uneducated football mind I really thought Saban would try to slow the game down to keep the defense off the field.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:27 pm to Xignals
I have been trying to figure this out in the last fourth of this football season. I understand we are trying to get an advantage by not allowing the other team to sub, but the fast pace is not helping what we are needing to do. Out of all stats I have seen today, the TOP stats tell the tale about us not putting ourselves in a position to wear down the other team. We need to go back to physical football!
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