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Dave Aranda sounds nice BUT ....

Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:54 am
Posted by BamaBoynATL
ATL
Member since Nov 2017
108 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:54 am
Are we forgetting that Pete Golding turned down reportedly 1.5 from Ole Miss to stay here? Or that CNS basically cleaned house because of recruiting falling last year and since Mike Locksley is gone Tosh is the head recruiter no question. I think he runs it back with these two one more year...secondary should be much better..DL won’t be as young as we thought with Davis coming back, deep at linebacker if Mack comes back. UGA reportedly wants Tosh too and CNS is not letting that happen. What does everyone think?
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38354 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:51 am to
I think Aranda, like anything halfway decent associated with LSU on this website, is overrated.

Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:57 am to
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UGA reportedly wants Tosh too and CNS is not letting that happen. What does everyone think?


It may not be popular on this board, but it's no secret around the complex that Tosh isn't that well liked. Furthermore, he's recruiting prowess isn't what many on this board think it is.

Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
5799 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:09 am to
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UGA reportedly wants Tosh too and CNS is not letting that happen. What does everyone think?


I think this is BS, from reading various UGA boards, they seem locked in to former Bama and current Oakland Raiders db coach for DC.
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4611 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:29 am to
Is this a rumor? I can't find it online but I heard the round table discussing it as well.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26946 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:30 am to
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UGA reportedly wants Tosh too and CNS is not letting that happen. What does everyone think?


I don't buy that at all.

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Furthermore, he's recruiting prowess isn't what many on this board think it is.


We've had guys who recruit at least as well and are much better coaches.

As far as a possible DC, I'd like to see them talk to Chizik. He was in over his head as a head coach, but I think he's a bright guy and has been a good defensive coach.
Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
2137 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:31 am to
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As far as a possible DC, I'd like to see them talk to Chizik. He was in over his head as a head coach, but I think he's a bright guy and has been a good defensive coach.

Go look into his actual stats at UNC, it's not nearly as impressive as it seems from the outside. Chizik wants to be with his family and out of the rat race that is coaching, coming back to be the DC for a Saban team does not match that at all.
Posted by BamaBoynATL
ATL
Member since Nov 2017
108 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:31 pm to
Yeah I started to hear this too...sounds like outside of Golding and Enos everyone else could be replaced if need be. Saban serving pink slips
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4346 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:36 pm to
Give us an example of why he isn't well liked.
Posted by Jake_LaMotta
Coral Gables
Member since Sep 2017
5700 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:37 pm to
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Chizik.


Has always run a totally different D then we do. I would love the hire though. He greatly improved the D a North Carolina when he was there.
Posted by My2Bits
2500 mi from Tuscaloosa due west
Member since Jun 2012
4791 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:25 pm to
So if Tosh is so overrated why did Saban give him the DC job when we can all agree it was a little to early for him?
Saban gave him the job so as not to lose him. He is our best recruiter and has been since he came here. It is just ridiculous to say he is overrated as a recruiter.
One loss and all coaches are either disliked,overrated,incompetent or being replaced.
Laughable. Just like Saban is finished and Clemson is the new king and dynasty.
Saban willl be finished when he decides he is finished and one game is not going to do that.
Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
2137 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:33 pm to
Thibs was his job to seal, this board feels differently if he has that name attributed to him as a recruiter. I have also heard the inexperience and not liked stuff, but I haven't heard anything about his recruiting being overrated?
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:37 pm to
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when we can all agree it was a little to early for him


I do not agree.

Look at our 2-deep. Finishing about 7th or 8th or whatever in the S&P defensive rankings with our schedule and our lack of experience/depth as well as injuries was a DC doing a pretty damn good job.

Face it, this was a rebuilding year defensively when you look at the 2 deep. The only group with depth was OLB, and their bones were apparently gypsy cursed long ago.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:51 pm to
I agree bro. I kind of piled on Tosh after Arkansas carved us up with misdirection but looking back, Wilson at ILB had a really bad game and there were missed assignments in the secondary. We were young in the back end and we all know about our issues at LB. Let's see how he responds in year two without the green secondary.
Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
2137 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:56 pm to
The problem is we all have eyes and can see that the ranking is bouyed by playing teams without an offensive pulse and the fact that s&P rendered large swaths of our games as garbage time. His defense did awfully against the best offenses it faced and while I expect every great offense to challenge even the best defense, the difference is far outside the historical norms.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:00 pm to
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the difference is far outside the historical norms.


Far outside? No.

But I do agree that this defense is not nearly as good as some other years under Saban. And you know what else was not nearly as good as other years? The amount of experienced depth on the entire defensive 2-deep.

Many of you are acting like Tosh had 2 cloned copies of the 85 Bears to work with, and he simply didn't.
Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
2137 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:00 pm to
Go look at the S&P for his defense against the 3 best offenses we faced and then go look at a Pruitt or Smart defense, it's not close.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:01 pm to
Repeat after me: "We lost our entire starting Nickle package from the year before."
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

Go look at the S&P for his defense against the 3 best offenses we faced and then go look at a Pruitt or Smart defense, it's not close.


Go look at the 2-deep depth charts for Smart and Pruitt, and then look at Tosh's. It's not close.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
2137 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 3:04 pm to
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Repeat after me: "We lost our entire starting Nickle package from the year before."

I am aware of the limitations of this defense and I'm not saying Tosh can't be a good DC, but fundamentally this defense did not improve as much as it needed to this season. I know all of the reasons this defense was #7 in S&P that isn't my issue, my issue is his inability to make specific changes to attack the best offenses we faced. That is a problem.
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