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Dabo vs. Saban
Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:07 pm
I find the Dabo / Saban rivalry fascinating because their personalities are polar opposites and their success the last four years has been nearly identical and head and shoulders above everyone else.
Assuming Saban stays at Bama five more years, how do folks see the future of this rivalry playing out? It’s entirely possible that what happens over the next few years could be used in debates to differentiate between the two for GOAT status sometime down the road.
Saban was in a very similar situation with Meyer after 2014 (Meyer won his 3rd natty with the whole team coming back) but Meyer fizzled out. I don’t expect that from Dabo, so it should be interesting over the next few years.
What do y’all think?
Assuming Saban stays at Bama five more years, how do folks see the future of this rivalry playing out? It’s entirely possible that what happens over the next few years could be used in debates to differentiate between the two for GOAT status sometime down the road.
Saban was in a very similar situation with Meyer after 2014 (Meyer won his 3rd natty with the whole team coming back) but Meyer fizzled out. I don’t expect that from Dabo, so it should be interesting over the next few years.
What do y’all think?
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:22 pm to Globetrotter747
I want to see Dabo without Brent Venables.
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Posted on 3/30/19 at 12:44 pm to AHM21
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I want to see Dabo without Brent Venables.
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You will probably never see that. Venables has no desire to be a HC right now, and he likes working for Dabo. He's one year younger than Dabo. Hell, he could end up like one of Paterno's lifetime assistants.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 1:29 pm to AHM21
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I want to see Dabo without Brent Venables.
People probably said the same thing regarding Chad Morris and when he left Clemson not only maintained but actually got better.
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You will probably never see that. Venables has no desire to be a HC right now, and he likes working for Dabo. He's one year younger than Dabo. Hell, he could end up like one of Paterno's lifetime assistants.
That's quite possible.
Posted on 3/30/19 at 1:41 pm to Globetrotter747
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Saban was in a very similar situation with Meyer after 2014 (Meyer won his 3rd natty with the whole team coming back) but Meyer fizzled out. I don’t expect that from Dabo, so it should be interesting over the next few years.
What do y’all think?
If the scuttlebutt is true, Dabo may be hit with ncaa problems in due time. Best I remember, he was involved in the Dubose era recruiting violations.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 1:45 am to AHM21
Naturally it all depends on who replaces Venables...either way, Dabo has done an exceptional job and it appears Clemson is even going to another level with their recruiting.
Under Dabo their player development, staff continuity and overall program success in as good as any over the past 25 years.
The rise of Clemson is really unbelievable because it has happened during the greatest dynasty in college football history and during Saban's reign as likely the 2cd greatest coach in college football history! Shocking.
Under Dabo their player development, staff continuity and overall program success in as good as any over the past 25 years.
The rise of Clemson is really unbelievable because it has happened during the greatest dynasty in college football history and during Saban's reign as likely the 2cd greatest coach in college football history! Shocking.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 1:46 am to John Milner
Dabo wasn't involved in any way with Bama's problems.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 1:50 am to Evolved Simian
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he could end up like one of Paterno's lifetime assistants.
Oh God.. I would hope not.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 9:28 am to Bryantboyz
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Dabo wasn't involved in any way with Bama's problems.
Every coach on that staff was "involved" at least to some degree. Other programs, at least, considered that to be the case. By his own admission, Swinney couldn't get another college coaching job.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 10:31 am to John Milner
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Dabo may be hit with ncaa problems in due time
Maybe. I don't think anyone doubts that Clemson boosters (and everyone else) buy some players. The sloppy ones get caught.
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Best I remember, he was involved in the Dubose era recruiting violations.
You remember incorrectly. Swinney had no involvement in the recruitment of Albert Means or Kenny Smith.
This post was edited on 3/31/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 3/31/19 at 10:49 am to Evolved Simian
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Swinney had no involvement in the recruitment of Albert Means or Kenny Smith.
Means and Smith weren't the only 2 players that staff recruited. As noted, other programs were wary enough that he couldn't get a coaching job and was in the real estate business for 2 or 3 years. During those years he didn't share a 1 bedroom apartment with his Mom for no apparent reason.
Those days are long past, but the "scuttlebutt" I mentioned has nothing to do with that, but rumored goings on now at Clemson.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 10:59 am to John Milner
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Those days are long past, but the "scuttlebutt" I mentioned has nothing to do with that, but rumored goings on now at Clemson.
There's plenty of rumored things going on here too.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 11:17 am to TomRollTideRitter
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There's plenty of rumored things going on here too.
only since I can ever remember, but I think it's fairly sure that it's easier to recruit to Alabama than it traditionally has been to Clemson.
I get that Dabo is a favorite among Alabama fans for obvious reasons, but you hear the same things about them that you hear about Kirby Smart and the UGA program the last couple of years. Yes, it may be sour grapes from their rivals. Or it may be so.
The topic is whether Dabo will surpass Saban's accomplishments. My only point is that ncaa violations may preclude that and I don't think it would surprise many people. The poster asked "what do y'all think". This is what I think.
This post was edited on 3/31/19 at 11:22 am
Posted on 3/31/19 at 11:29 am to John Milner
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other programs were wary enough that he couldn't get a coaching job
It was hard for any of those guys to find a college job.
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During those years he didn't share a 1 bedroom apartment with his Mom for no apparent reason.
That was when he was a student many years before. When he worked in insurance, he was married, already had two of his three kids, and built a pretty nice house in Pelham. Nice enough, in fact, that he built an exact duplicate when he was hired as an assistant at Clemson.
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Those days are long past, but the "scuttlebutt" I mentioned has nothing to do with that, but rumored goings on now at Clemson.
Like I said, cheating anywhere doesn't surprise me, but there is no indication from the NCAA or anywhere else that he was involved in the cheating that led to the 2001 probation.
Posted on 4/1/19 at 2:34 am to John Milner
Dabo was the only coach to be free and clear of all the stink. It’s common knowledge among all that were close to the program and involved with recruiting during those years. I worked for two very well known recruiting services during those days.
He was on the staff and a part of the team so technically he was involved but nothing directly in any way. Dabo’s character or perceived involvement was never an issue but universities had to let all the smoke clear because Bama had enemies in powerful places during those years.
He was on the staff and a part of the team so technically he was involved but nothing directly in any way. Dabo’s character or perceived involvement was never an issue but universities had to let all the smoke clear because Bama had enemies in powerful places during those years.
Posted on 4/1/19 at 5:48 pm to Globetrotter747
With any luck, Nick Saban's final chapter at Alabama will be keeping UGA and Clemson at bay before his eventual retirement.
2019 is certainly going to be way more of an important year than we would have hoped for.
Had Alabama won in Cali, 2019 would be victory tour for Nick and Tua, going for an unprecedented College Football three-peat
Instead, we face the very real scenario of making sure 2017 will not be looked back on as the last night of the Saban Dynasty. Letting Clemson win AGAIN in 2019 will well and truly mark an end of the Alabama era, or at least usher the beginning of the end. Victory and the reclaiming of the throne will hold off such talks, as well as give Saban his record breaking 7th title, ending all discussions of GOAT.
This year will probably be program defining.
2019 is certainly going to be way more of an important year than we would have hoped for.
Had Alabama won in Cali, 2019 would be victory tour for Nick and Tua, going for an unprecedented College Football three-peat
Instead, we face the very real scenario of making sure 2017 will not be looked back on as the last night of the Saban Dynasty. Letting Clemson win AGAIN in 2019 will well and truly mark an end of the Alabama era, or at least usher the beginning of the end. Victory and the reclaiming of the throne will hold off such talks, as well as give Saban his record breaking 7th title, ending all discussions of GOAT.
This year will probably be program defining.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:36 am to Lordofwrath88
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This year will probably be program defining.
Completely agree.
Clemson wins it this year and they are the premier program in college football, IMO.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:27 am to Globetrotter747
Well the bad news is they are probably breaking down more Bama film in Clemson as we speak.
And unless somebody knocks Sunshine out of the game, he’s every bit as good as Tua. I hate that but it’s true. We’ve got our work cut out for us if we’re going to regain our title.
And unless somebody knocks Sunshine out of the game, he’s every bit as good as Tua. I hate that but it’s true. We’ve got our work cut out for us if we’re going to regain our title.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:42 am to phil4bama
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Well the bad news is they are probably breaking down more Bama film in Clemson as we speak.
And unless somebody knocks Sunshine out of the game, he’s every bit as good as Tua. I hate that but it’s true. We’ve got our work cut out for us if we’re going to regain our title.
Meh, we played worst possible game that we could've, and they played the best they could have. Their defense is losing a ton of veterans. I like our chances next season.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 11:35 am to Globetrotter747
If the ACC remains garbage, then I fully expect Clemson to be in the National Championship game every year. Just compare Clemson’s final month to our final month. I have no doubt that Clemson started preparing for us long before our game. Plus they had a staff that had seen us for 4 straight years. They had every advantage on top of having a great team.
Dabo’s ability to maintain that staff and retain key players combined with that ACC schedule is a formula for championships.
The only “complaint” that I have is that despite what the metrics said, Notre Dame should’ve been ranked 4th. Ridiculous that we had to play OU and the Heisman winner while they played that squad. Being the #1 seed did us no favors.
Dabo’s ability to maintain that staff and retain key players combined with that ACC schedule is a formula for championships.
The only “complaint” that I have is that despite what the metrics said, Notre Dame should’ve been ranked 4th. Ridiculous that we had to play OU and the Heisman winner while they played that squad. Being the #1 seed did us no favors.
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