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re: Chance Warmack opting out of 2020
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Well, when they opt out, they only get $150,000 for this year from what I understand.


If they are at-risk, they get considerably more. If they aren't, they just get the $150.

Some of these guys opting out are unsigned for this season, and might not get signed. It's a no brainer for them to opt out and get the money.

A host on WJOX brought up a good point. The guys who opt out aren't going into a bubble for the next year. They're going to be with friends and family. They're going to go on vacations. They'll be eating out. There might even be play dates and coaching little league.

So, for many of them, they might feel a sense of safety by not playing, but they're giving up a controlled environment where precautions are taken every moment that they aren't on the field and where they are tested every single day and have instant 24 hour per day access to doctors. They probably aren't any safer by not playing.
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Most likely LESS safe from the virus by not playing.


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JustGetItRight
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If they are at-risk, they get considerably more. If they aren't, they just get the $150.

Some of these guys opting out are unsigned for this season, and might not get signed. It's a no brainer for them to opt out and get the money.

A host on WJOX brought up a good point. The guys who opt out aren't going into a bubble for the next year. They're going to be with friends and family. They're going to go on vacations. They'll be eating out. There might even be play dates and coaching little league.

So, for many of them, they might feel a sense of safety by not playing, but they're giving up a controlled environment where precautions are taken every moment that they aren't on the field and where they are tested every single day and have instant 24 hour per day access to doctors. They probably aren't any safer by not playing.


They get $350k if they have risk factors. That is still way less than the league minimum and MUCH less than a guy like Hightower would earn by playing.

The rest are valid points, but fear plays a lot into these decisions and logic loses to fear just about every time. Also, we tend to think of these players as if they are the only opinion in the decision process but that isn’t the case. There are parents, wives, and children involved too. If you’re already incredibly wealthy and your child comes crying to you begging you not to play because they’re scared you will get the virus, what do you do?


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tider04
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If only the damn virus was only transmissible through anal intercourse with water buffalo...

If the whole country caught it at a 1% death rate, what's 1% of 383 Million people?

Straw man. The death rate isn't going to end up being 1%. Maybe half that. US population is around 330 million so assuming a .5% death rate...if EVERY single person in the US caught the virus (which won't happen because you start to hit herd immunity around 60-70% of the population) than we'd have around 1.5 million deaths. At the very most. That's worst case scenario and not even very realistic. Of those 1.5 million the vast majority would be people that would have died anyway in the near future (nursing home patients, 80+ year olds, those with chronic heart conditions and those who are morbidly obese.) Look, it sucks. But having us spiral into another great depression would be far more deadly than 500k mostly already very old or very sick people dying because of this virus. If you are old or sick, isolate and wait for a vaccine. Everyone else, wear a mask, socially distance, wash your hands...and LIVE LIFE.


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Boston Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez on Sunday confirmed that he was infected with the coronavirus earlier this year and is now suffering from myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle.

The condition is typically the result of a viral infection and can affect the heart’s capacity to pump blood or cause abnormal heart rhythms. It has frequently occurred in coronavirus patients, even though the virus is considered a respiratory infection.

What we don't know and have yet to find out with this virus in the longterm is immense. 17 members of the Marlins have now tested positive since the weekend. MLB is wringing their hands trying to figure out what they are going to do with this team going forward. Having a single team come down with so many cases of COVID in just a few days obviously wasn't one of their contingency plans. Managers and players alike are saying they are scared to death of this thing. Looks like a lot of sports folks are still looking for their "safe space."


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re: Chance Warmack opting out of 2020
It's really not that complicated. Everyone on the Marlins should isolate for two weeks. Restest, once they are all negative, return to play. It's going to mess with the schedule as different teams have to isolate here and there, but it's not impossible to keep playing--just requires flexibility on scheduling. And I have a hard time believing that most of these guys in their 20's and 30's are "scared to death" of a virus that kills lass than 1% of healthy people. I just don't buy it.

Listen, look at the UFC and most sports in Europe right now like the Premier League. No fans, lots of testing--and play on. These leagues have had no real problems.
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It's really not that complicated. Everyone on the Marlins should isolate for two weeks. Restest, once they are all negative, return to play. It's going to mess with the schedule as different teams have to isolate here and there, but it's not impossible to keep playing--just requires flexibility on scheduling. And I have a hard time believing that most of these guys in their 20's and 30's are "scared to death" of a virus that kills lass than 1% of healthy people. I just don't buy it.




The MLB season is less than a week old. What's next? Baseball isn't living in a bubble. They have wives and children and infants to come home to. How many of the infected Marlins are older staff members and coaches? What long term effects are coming? It mutates and congregates almost without rhyme or reason. There is nothing easy or clear about any of this 6 months in. It's all a calculated risk.

And whether we get it or not, COVID-19 is still doing all the talking. And we keep trying to do all the adjusting. That's life and sports during a plague.


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tider04


You make a lot of good points that don't sit well with the doomsday crowd
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Straw man. The death rate isn't going to end up being 1%. Maybe half that. US population is around 330 million so assuming a .5% death rate...if EVERY single person in the US caught the virus (which won't happen because you start to hit herd immunity around 60-70% of the population) than we'd have around 1.5 million deaths. At the very most. That's worst case scenario and not even very realistic. Of those 1.5 million the vast majority would be people that would have died anyway in the near future (nursing home patients, 80+ year olds, those with chronic heart conditions and those who are morbidly obese.) Look, it sucks. But having us spiral into another great depression would be far more deadly than 500k mostly already very old or very sick people dying because of this virus. If you are old or sick, isolate and wait for a vaccine. Everyone else, wear a mask, socially distance, wash your hands...and LIVE LIFE.


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re: Chance Warmack opting out of 2020
what do the players get for compensation if they opt out? I assume it was negotiated in the last bargaining period. I would hope they get nothing in the terms of a salary but the NFL will keep the insurance premiums paid.


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what do the players get for compensation if they opt out? I assume it was negotiated in the last bargaining period. I would hope they get nothing in the terms of a salary but the NFL will keep the insurance premiums paid.



Believe it or not, this situation wasn't covered under the last CBA. Frankly, the owners are going to have to swallow hard and see if they want to open this can of worms. So many of the other professional leagues are making allowance for guys wanting out. It will be a bad look.

But the NFL is more a dictatorship and has the might to make it tough for guys sitting out. The NFL CBA is without a doubt the weakest union in pro sports. It will be interesting.


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re: Chance Warmack opting out of 2020
The NFL player's union and the league entered into a formal agreement to revise their CBA. It isn't a league only decision.

In a nutshell, the standard player gets $150,000. If they have one of several 'high risk' conditions, that number goes up to $375,000.

The season counts towards reaching free agency, but not towards salary steps. If this would be year 3 of a 4 year deal, the player would still be a free agent after 2021 - but he gets his 2020 salary in 2021.

SI explanation

NFLPA memo about the CBA changes
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CJ Mosley Becomes Fourth Former Alabama Player to Opt Out of NFL Season

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Former University of Alabama and current New York Jets linebacker CJ Mosley has opted out of the upcoming NFL season due family health concerns per ESPN's Rich Cimini.

He is the fourth former Crimson Tide standout to elect to not play in 2020 due to COVID-19 concerns, joining New England linebacker Dont'a Hightower, Baltimore Ravens offensive tackle Andre Smith, and Seattle Seahawks offensive lineman Chance Warmack.


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All four players are considered not high-risk, so each will receive a $150,000 payout for this season and the rest of their respective 2020 salary will be deferred to the 2021 campaign.

Mosley was set to receive $6 million this year.
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re: Chance Warmack opting out of 2020
Idiot

How these players' managers and agents have let them talk themselves into taking such a financial hit over a fabricated crisis like the Chinese Flu is beyond me.


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Idiot

How these players' managers and agents have let them talk themselves into taking such a financial hit over a fabricated crisis like the Chinese Flu is beyond me.




Or, the problem could just be YOU. There's a scary thought.


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