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CFP board again unable to agree on expansion
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:41 pm
College Football Playoff board unable to decide on expansion; talks to resume in January (espn)
12 is too many and auto-bids are a bad idea. Just expand it to the top 8 with no auto-bids, quarter finals played at #1-4's home stadiums. Simple.
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While many in the room have grown weary of the discussions, they also said they felt incremental progress continues to be made. The issue of automatic qualifiers and the entire format remain sticking points.
"I think that an eight option is still alive," Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson said.
"I'll let Craig speak for himself," Sankey said. "I was part of a group that brought forward a recommendation of six conference champions and the six best remaining teams. Or I can stay at four."
"The biggest thing right now is format," one source in the room said.
Concerns still linger about how the New Year's Six bowls, particularly the Rose Bowl, would be impacted, but another issue at the heart of the debate remains pushback for a model that includes automatic bids for the Power Five conference champions plus one more champion.
"It's no great surprise there's probably a difference of opinion between two groups," Thompson said.
12 is too many and auto-bids are a bad idea. Just expand it to the top 8 with no auto-bids, quarter finals played at #1-4's home stadiums. Simple.
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Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:44 pm to TidalSurge1
I'm still calling it!!! They will expand when we bear UGA and UGA gets left out!
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:44 pm to Remiden
And yes, this is a strange hill to die on.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:52 pm to Remiden
Think UGA is in regardless
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:42 pm to TidalSurge1
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12 is too many. Just expand it to top-8 with no auto-bids, quarter finals round played at #1-4's home stadiums. Simple
I agree, it's about getting the best teams in. Not about getting teams in like wake forest just because they won their conference.
Some guy on the local radio station wants it to be like the NFL. Totally disagree. I don't want a 4 or 6 loss team getting into a playoff.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 12:11 am to TidalSurge1
I’m probably on an island here but I’m still concerned that adding more games with an extended playoff isn’t a good thing. Usually by the time we make the title game, we are pretty banged up and we are one of the deeper teams in the country. Adding another game just exacerbates that problem for all of the top teams.
Personally I think 4 is fine considering the semifinals are usually blowouts. Adding more teams is just fluff to make people feel better.
Personally I think 4 is fine considering the semifinals are usually blowouts. Adding more teams is just fluff to make people feel better.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 12:45 am to TidalSurge1
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Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:09 am to TidalSurge1
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Just expand it to the top 8 with no auto-bids
What does this accomplish? How is that system better than 4?
If the goal is truly to find the “best” team, then four is fine. If the goal is entertainment, then just putting the “best” teams in there yields what we’ve gotten so far under the four system until this year - I.e. the same teams every year.
I get wanting the best teams, but I don’t get it in connection with expansion. There’s no need to expand to find the best team. The only potential good of expansion is keeping more of the country interested late into the season, in which case 12 and auto-bids is a better system.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:11 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Just expand it to the top 8 with no auto-bids
What does this accomplish? How is that system better than 4?
If the goal is truly to find the “best” team, then four is fine. If the goal is entertainment, then just putting the “best” teams in there yields what we’ve gotten so far under the four system until this year - I.e. the same teams every year.
I get wanting the best teams, but I don’t get it in connection with expansion. There’s no need to expand to find the best team. The only potential good of expansion is keeping more of the country interested late into the season, in which case 12 and auto-bids is a better system.
Yes, but on the other hand - money!!! - which is the goal.
They really don't care about accessibility to non-power 5 teams.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:38 am to TidalSurge1
Yay for NFL Lite.
I'd gladly go back to the BCS, and a 12 team SEC. I'll probably retire from rabid football fandom when Saban retires.
Also, get off my lawn!
I'd gladly go back to the BCS, and a 12 team SEC. I'll probably retire from rabid football fandom when Saban retires.
Also, get off my lawn!
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:59 am to Teague
They're trying to make things really more complicated than they need to be.
No matter what, expansion is going to devalue the best regular season in sports...and that's a shame.
Just pick something and stick with it...tired of everything having to be "tweaked" annually. First it was the BCS computer models every year...now it's the format of the playoff.
Hopefully they'll at least have the first round games on the campus of the higher seeded team.
No matter what, expansion is going to devalue the best regular season in sports...and that's a shame.
Just pick something and stick with it...tired of everything having to be "tweaked" annually. First it was the BCS computer models every year...now it's the format of the playoff.
Hopefully they'll at least have the first round games on the campus of the higher seeded team.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:34 am to Chad4Bama
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No matter what, expansion is going to devalue the best regular season in sports...and that's a shame.
It doesn't have to. I think the all conference game schedule from last year with an 8 game playoff (5 auto-bids + 3 at large to account for conference championship game upsets) would be a reasonable middle ground. The problem with that is that it gives the G-5 an in, but also fricks a lot of their budgets because there aren't anymore $1.5 million payouts to get your arse kicked games. So there's no way that kind of a system would ever get any broad support. Scheduling inequities will always be the obstacle to a system that makes everyone happy though. The difference between the easiest NFL schedule and the hardest is like the difference between the hardest and 15th hardest CFB schedules. The only programs who would want more of a level playing field in terms of scheduling are the ones who don't rely on rent-a-wins for bowl eligibility.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:38 am to Robot Santa
Going to 8 gets you another free token (10-2) to get into the playoff if they select the best 8 teams.
Example this year Bama would get a call. Do you deserve to be into the playoffs with a 10-2 record?
Example this year Bama would get a call. Do you deserve to be into the playoffs with a 10-2 record?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:50 am to FairhopeTider
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I’m probably on an island here but I’m still concerned that adding more games with an extended playoff isn’t a good thing.
Expand the playoffs I have no issue as long as it is done right without automatic births. But yes to many games risk injury like every time we a G% or lower level team. Get rid of those games. If you expand the playoffs reduce the number of regular season games by 1 or 2.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:53 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Going to 8 gets you another free token (10-2) to get into the playoff if they select the best 8 teams.
Not if we go back to a 10 game conference only regular season like we played last year. A team that goes 8-2/9-1 against an SEC only schedule has accomplished quite a bit and wouldn't be getting a free pass if they win the conference with that record.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:53 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Example this year Bama would get a call. Do you deserve to be into the playoffs with a 10-2 record?
Maybe but on what they are wanting the ACC and PAC10 champs who all have 2 losses in the end would go first. So UGA, UM, Cincy, Okie St, ND, ACC, PAC10 and now between UA and OSU. So who knows.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:58 am to TidalSurge1
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"I'll let Craig speak for himself," Sankey said. "I was part of a group that brought forward a recommendation of six conference champions and the six best remaining teams. Or I can stay at four."
Is the 6th conference champ he is referring to the American?
The playoff expansion is only about money and nothing more. More games on TV, bigger ratings, and bigger payouts. It has nothing to do with putting the best product on the field.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:01 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
I'm fine with the current top 4 CFP format. Top 4 is enough to ensure the best team gets in. But the primary objectives of CFP expansion are increased fan interest and CFP TV revenue. If it is expanded, I think the top-8 without auto-bids format would be better than 12 with auto-bids.
A top 8 CFP without auto-bids and byes provides ample opportunities to earn a bid, plus more incentive to boost your resumé/SOS for higher ranking/seeding by scheduling good out-of-conference opponents in the regular season.
A top 8 CFP without auto-bids and byes provides ample opportunities to earn a bid, plus more incentive to boost your resumé/SOS for higher ranking/seeding by scheduling good out-of-conference opponents in the regular season.
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Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:08 am to TideWarrior
This. The Best 8 is a dream. It will be conference Champs no matter how weak. That group isn't going to do anything that will assist the SEC if they can stop it.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:09 am to TideWarrior
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The playoff expansion is only about money and nothing more. More games on TV, bigger ratings, and bigger payouts. It has nothing to do with putting the best product on the field.
Agree with that. My hard line in the sand on the kind of expansion they're wanting is a reduction in regular season games. These are college kids, not pros. They don't need to be playing 18 games a year or whatever just so a bunch of greedy fricks at Disney get more revenue. It's bad enough that the NFL puts on their song and dance about player safety while doing shite like adding more games, playing games in Europe, playing games on Thursday nights, etc. that are major player safety and health detriments.
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