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Case Can Be Made For Strengthening SEC Football Schedules

Posted on 3/14/18 at 7:57 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 7:57 pm
Case Can Be Made For Strengthening SEC Football Schedules (BamaOnLine)
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Think back to the end of last football season. What was your takeaway from the Mercer game? Unless you happened to be one of those handful of players who got their only game action of the year, perhaps of their careers, in mop-up duty, it’s likely you have no memory of the 56-0 win.

The importance of playing Mercer in the next-to-last football game of the season had no positive impact on Alabama football and could have had a disastrous negative effect. Although it was clear to most with football acumen that the Crimson Tide was one of the nation’s best teams and worthy of the College Football Playoff, Bama had failed to win the Southeastern Conference championship, and that could have put Alabama chances in jeopardy with the CFP committee. There was a national hue and cry against Bama getting into the playoff because of playing Mercer, which most of us didn’t know had a football team until the Bears turned up on the Tide’s schedule.

Alabama survived, so everything is fine, right? Maybe so, maybe not.

The Alabama mindset to play a cupcake in the next-to-last weekend of the season has as its strategic value the fulfillment of the SEC mandate that every team have a game on both that next-to-last and last weekends before the SEC Championship Game.

The risk is that it could have cost the Crimson Tide that little thing known as the national championship.

The Crimson Tide should never be criticized for its wont to play a non-conference, neutral site game to start the season. Even when Florida State fell flat following its loss to Alabama in the kickoff game in Atlanta last year, the Seminoles had been ranked third in the preseason polls, and the game was considered perhaps the best ever season-opener ever scheduled. Those games have been good for Alabama’s reputation and they are tremendous money-makers for the athletics department.

It wasn’t the FSU game that put a blot on Bama’s non-conference schedule; it was the other ones, and particularly Mercer coming in the next-to-last weekend of the college football regular season. Fresno State and Colorado State sound better than they are.

A few years ago we suggested that the SEC needs to play 10 conference games, one game against a team from another Power Five conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big Twelve, or Pac-12), and one cupcake, perhaps for homecoming.


All in Favor: Nick Saban (Photo: Stuart McNair, 247Sports)

About the time we were suggesting 10, at the annual SEC spring meeting in Destin, the 14 football coaches were polled regarding a proposal to go from eight to nine league games. The vote was 13 Against, Nick Saban For.

Since then Saban has suggested “nine or ten” SEC games with the others against Power Five opponents. No more Mercers or (and these are the 2018 non-conference opponents for Bryant-Denny Stadium) Arkansas State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Citadel (this year’s next-to-last) type games.

Alabama and Saban, however, are not going to increase the level of competition unilaterally.

Incidentally, the coaching landscape in the SEC has changed dramatically since that vote in Destin. Today it is noteworthy the number of Saban disciples coaching in the league — Jimbo Fisher at Texas A&M, Will Muschamp at South Carolina, Kirby Smart at Georgia, and Jeremy Pruitt at Tennessee. That might change the attitude.

(The coaches do not determine this policy, but the presidents probably would look more favorably upon a proposal for more league games if their football coaches endorsed the plan.)

Four SEC teams already have difficult non-conference games as a part of their regular schedules, natural rivalry games — Florida with FSU, Georgia with Georgia Tech, Kentucky with Louisville, and South Carolina with Clemson.

Leaving for a moment the subject of SEC teams playing nine (the disadvantage is having five games either home or away one year, four the other) or ten games, most Alabama fans would probably want to opt out of the neutral site non-conference games. We’ve seen Jerry’s World and Mercedes-Benz Atlanta.

Part of the experience of college football is the experience of seeing other campuses, and having fans of other schools see your campus (in Alabama’s case, a showcase, cited by College Football Playoff Executive Director Bill Hancock at the latest Tide national championship parade as being the college campus central casting would call for).

Also consider this. Division I college football averaged 42,023 fans per game in 2017, the lowest since 1997 and second lowest total since 1991 (41,170). The Southeastern Conference led all conferences in average attendance (75,704), the lowest total since 2005 and a drop of 2,926 fans per game since 2015 (78,630). Average per game attendance in the Power 5 conferences: 1. SEC 75,704; 2. Big Ten 66,151; 3. Big 12 56,852; 4. Pac-12 49,601; 5. ACC 48,442.

According to the NCAA, the SEC led the nation last season in fan turnout, but that number was down 2,433 per game from 2016.

In Bama’s seven home games, the Tide averaged 101,722 per game in a stadium that seats 101,821. That ranked fourth in the nation. Although that indicates that Bryant-Denny had only 99 empty seats on average, anyone who attended games could see more empty seats than that at most games, and quite a few empty as the games progressed.

Exchange Power Five opponents for the cupcakes and ticket demand and actual attendance would increase.

Upgrading schedules is the right decision.

2018 Alabama Crimson Tide Football Schedule

Sept. 1 vs. Louisville (in Orlando)
Sept. 8 Arkansas State
Sept. 15 at Ole Miss
Sept. 22 Texas A&M
Sept. 29 Louisiana-Lafayette
Oct. 6 at Arkansas
Oct. 13 Missouri
Oct. 20 at Tennessee
Oct. 27 OPEN DATE
Nov. 3 at LSU
Nov. 10 Mississippi State
Nov. 17 Citadel
Nov. 24 Auburn
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 7:58 pm
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 7:59 pm to
We absolutely need to go to a 9 game conference schedule. I'd be for banning FCS games, however as long as some P5 teams are doing it then I don't want us to stop either.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:19 pm to
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We absolutely need to go to a 9 game conference schedule. I'd be for banning FCS games, however as long as some P5 teams are doing it then I don't want us to stop either.

I agree that the SEC should go to 9 conference games. I also think all SEC teams should play at least one non-conference P5 opponent and no FCS opponents. Playing FCS teams is ridiculous.

There are enough G5 teams available for two rent-a-win games. Let the non-SEC P5 teams continue to play FCS opponents. It'll hurt their resumés in the eyes of the CFP committee.

The SEC really should play 9 conference games. It's terrible to go so long without playing other teams in your conference. A 9th SEC game would cause one more away every other season. But, the neutral site non-conf openers pay too well to give up for home/aways to offset that.

That scheduling model delivers a much better product offering for ticket sales and TV contract revenues. It also supports existing permanent SEC cross-division rivalries (e.g., UA vs UT, AU vs UGA) and non-conf rivalries -- UF vs FSU, USC vs Clemson, UK vs L'ville, UGA vs GaTech.

The weaker SEC teams are against 9 SEC games because they want bowl eligibility. They could still have just as good of shot at it by scheduling a weak non-conf P5 team and two weak G5 teams. That's 3 wins. If they can't win 3 of their 9 SEC games, they should be thankful they get equal SEC revenue sharing and spend that "gift" more wisely to improve their FB programs.

Imo, Sankey should push hard for 9 SEC games.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:40 pm to
First, I'd be for a 9 game schedule.
But, I'd like to mention about playing big OOC games early. I haven't heard much banter about this, but I wonder how much playing and losing to Clemson did that hurt Auburn. Had AU just played, say a mid level team like a Texas Tech and won, how much more consideration would they have gotten for the CFP?
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:47 pm to
What hurt Auburn more than the early loss to CU was the loss to LSU and the SEC-CG beatdown loss to UGA. If AU had a win over an unranked muti-loss TxTech team instead of a close loss to CU, they would've still been left out, imo.

I think it's best to play a "marquis" non-conf P5 opponent very early. You can overcome an early "quality loss" and still make the CFP by winning out. It doesn't need to be an "elite" opponent like Clemson, Oklahoma, USC or Ohio St. Teams like UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Wash, Miami, VaTech, FSU, PSU, Mich, Mich St, Wisc, Nebraska, Texas, Okla St, TCU and ND are "marquis" opponents. Louisville isn't quite a "marquis" opponent. Duke certainly isn't.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 8:42 am
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:27 am to
I'm on the 9 game conference schedule all the way, but other than that unless you want nothing but P5 opponents there wasn't anything wrong with the 2017 OOC schedule. Nobody knew FSU was going to completely tank after the opener - and even with that all but FCS Mercer went to bowl games.

Compare that to the other playoff contenders:

Oklahoma played tOSU, but balanced that with Tulane (5-7) and UTEP (0-12).

Georgia played Notre Dame (10-3), App State (9-4), Georgia Tech (5-6)

Clemson played USCe (9-4), Auburn (8-4), Kent State (2-10), and the Citadel (FCS).

So, other than needing a 9 game conference schedule this 'strengthen the SEC schedules' mantra is simply groupthink being pushed by some national media talking heads. At least from a Bama perspective, our schedule is typical for the successful programs in other conferences.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 8:28 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:52 am to
I think we're mostly in agreement. We should add a 9th SEC game. But, I think it's equally important to not play any FCS opponents. It is a bad look, and it's not necessary. Like I said, there are plenty of "cupcake" G5 teams available to schedule for easy rent-a-win home games.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 8:59 am
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12617 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:57 am to
I'm all for a more entertaining schedule, but it wouldn't help with the playoff.

Losing an extra conference game and to a tough OOC opponent cost Ohio State a playoff appearance.

As far as making the playoff goes, we're doing it exactly how we should be doing it.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12617 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:59 am to
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But, I think it's equally important to not play any FCS opponents. It is a bad look, and it's not necessary


Until we actually see a team get punished for it why stop?

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Like I said, there are plenty of "cupcake" G5 teams available to schedule for easy rent-a-win home games.



The committee realizes this too though, so the FCS opponent doesn't hurt us. FCS opponents are much cheaper to bring in than G5 teams as well.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:06 am to
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Losing an extra conference game and to a tough OOC opponent cost Ohio State a playoff appearance. 

Losing bigly to Iowa cost OSU. And deservedly so. If Bama had lost bigly to a team comparable to Iowa (e.g., Ole Miss) as well as the AU loss, it would've knocked Bama out of the CFP.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 9:11 am
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72141 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:09 am to
I do not have issue playing Southern Conference teams every year. But I do wish the SEC would reevaluate the structure of the conference schedule to eliminate the need to play them in November. Everyone plays four non-conference games then moves into the conference schedule. Except for possibly those programs that have traditional matchups in September (Tennessee-Florida).
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12617 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:25 am to
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Losing bigly to Iowa cost OSU. And deservedly so


I agree, but with only eight conference games, it's possible that they wouldn't have even played Iowa. Iowa isn't in their division, so they don't have to play them every year.

We got to play Mercer instead of another opposite division team comparable to Iowa like Mizzou, and it didn't hurt us. Why should we change the schedule when it didn't hurt us?
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:25 am to
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I do not have issue playing Southern Conference teams every year. 

Imo, it's ridiculous for P5 teams to play FCS teams. No arguments will ever convince me otherwise.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72141 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:28 am to
Until there's a 9 game conference schedule, and everyone in Power 5 eliminates playing FCS teams, I have no issue.
Posted by 14&Counting
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:33 am to
Yep has to be consistent across the board
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:38 am to
Four early playoff questions to consider as spring ball kicks off (ESPN)
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A two-loss team has yet to finish in the top four of the College Football Playoff. Notre Dame has yet to take the place of a Power 5 champ. Alabama has yet to miss the playoff.

"Every year is different in terms of what the dynamics will be and how the season will play out," said former selection committee member and coach Tyrone Willingham. "There will be an issue they will be looking at next year that will be totally different from what you've had to deal with in the four previous years."

As the season unfolds, so do the storylines, but with spring practice upon us, the work to finish in the top four officially begins. Here are four big-picture questions surrounding this year's CFP race:

1. Can Georgia overcome a weak nonconference schedule?

Austin Peay, Middle Tennessee, UMass and Georgia Tech -- four teams that combined for a 24-24 record last year (including the 8-4 record from FCS Austin Peay) -- give the Dawgs little to no wiggle room. Georgia Tech is the only Power 5 nonconference opponent, and the Yellow Jackets finished 5-6 last year.

The importance of strength of schedule is not up for debate within the selection committee meeting room. Alabama earned a spot in the top four last year, but in the committee's lengthy final deliberations, its game against FCS Mercer was certainly a part of the debate against Ohio State for the fourth spot.

"If you want to be considered for a spot in the college football championship, you need to go out and schedule up," former selection committee member Tom Jernstedt said. "When the bracket is so small, there aren't many things you can use to separate Team A from Team B, C and D, and someone that can demonstrate that they went out and made a real effort to schedule up -- that's important. If you schedule down and end up undefeated, that should not be rewarded for scheduling down. You constantly encourage people to schedule up so the committee really has something to work with as it goes through its deliberations."

Georgia faces Florida, a road trip to LSU, and gets Auburn at home. One loss would put it in a precarious playoff position. In 2016, Washington was hammered for its strength of schedule all season. Last year, Wisconsin's résumé was under the microscope. Now it's Georgia's turn...
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 11:40 am
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22511 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 6:26 pm to
Well the article is plain out wrong when it says it wasn't FSU that was the blot on our schedule, it was Mercer.

Sorry, but anyone who believes such a thing has no clue on how these things are done. It's the same pattern for damn near every school out there - 1 tough P5 opponent and a couple of cupcakes. The exception to that rule is when teams have an OOC rival game.

So when our quality opponent took a nose dive, and went 2-4 to start the year - it screwed our SoS. And the perception of FSU, despite finishing 6-6, never changed from that 2-4. Nobody cared or gave a damn that FSU lost their starting QB.

If Florida St had been a top10 team as expected, we wouldn't have even dropped out of the top4 after losing to Auburn. Honestly, I think we still would have been a top2 team. It was a big quality win that we were missing at the end of the year.

Meanwhile, you can replace Mercer with any team not in the top25 and it wouldn't make a shite bit of difference.

I have a hard time really taking anyone who doesn't understand that basic concept seriously.

It's also why even if you removed whatever FCS school we have over the next few years out we are probably still in trouble schedule wise unless the SEC itself gets stronger. Louisville next year isn't the worse, but Duke the year after for our OOC opponent is going to suck and be like FSU this year at best.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26953 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 7:16 pm to
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Compare that to the other playoff contenders:

Oklahoma played tOSU, but balanced that with Tulane (5-7) and UTEP (0-12).

Georgia played Notre Dame (10-3), App State (9-4), Georgia Tech (5-6)

Clemson played USCe (9-4), Auburn (8-4), Kent State (2-10), and the Citadel (FCS).


Every team in the CFP in all four years of its existence had at least one home and home game on its schedule in the year(s) they were in the CFP.

Oklahoma. Clemson. Auburn. Georgia. Ohio State. Michigan State. Oregon. FSU. Washington.

Every. Single. One.

Except Alabama.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 7:18 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26953 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 7:18 pm to
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Until we actually see a team get punished for it why stop?


Why wait until we're punished for it?
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12617 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 11:12 pm to
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Why wait until we're punished for it?


Or we could wait to see any team get punished for it. We've already seen teams get punished for scheduling hard and losing.

In '16 Penn State gets in if they beat Buffalo or someone instead losing to Pitt
In '17 Ohio State gets in they beat Cal or someone instead of losing to Oklahoma

It seems to me that the committee has made it clear that record is the most important selection factor.
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