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Can we run effectively with four wide and no TE on the field?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 6:26 am
Posted on 8/25/19 at 6:26 am
I mean, it's obvious that TE is a question mark anyway but if we put the best eleven guys on the field, you have to leave the TE on the bench in favor of more receivers. If we do that the majority of the time how will it affect our running game? I think we may could run even better without the TE. Defenses can't play with more than six in the box without Tua/Jeudy and company hitting a big play downfield.
A four wide set with Jeudy, Waddle, Smith and Ruggs will relegate the defense to put more emphasis on defending the deep ball leaving just four or five guys most of the time to deal with Najee and Brian.
Sarkisian has to be licking his chops. I am obviously a homer for sure but the combo of Tua/Jeudy/Waddle/Smith/Ruggs is as good as any combo currently in the NFL.
A four wide set with Jeudy, Waddle, Smith and Ruggs will relegate the defense to put more emphasis on defending the deep ball leaving just four or five guys most of the time to deal with Najee and Brian.
Sarkisian has to be licking his chops. I am obviously a homer for sure but the combo of Tua/Jeudy/Waddle/Smith/Ruggs is as good as any combo currently in the NFL.
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 6:58 am to Commander Data
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but if we put the best eleven guys on the field, you have to leave the TE on the bench in favor of more receivers. If we do that the majority of the time
We won't do that. Not only is it just not our style, but we can still use the 4 guys without them all being on the field together. They can spell each other, you can mix up which 2 or 3 you have on the field at a time. Plus guys like Metchie and Shavers coming in and taking some snaps for them. We have no reason to run a 4 wide set most of the time.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:44 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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We have no reason to run a 4 wide set most of the time.
Disagree. If we had Mac Jones starting at quarterback then you would be correct but with Tua, you absolutely should stack the deck with four wide. We have never had a quarterback/receiver combo like this and probably never will again. Four elite, possible first round guys at receiver plus Tua looks to be possibly the best throwing quarterback in the history of the game. If we leave Waddle on the bench in favor of Tennison or any other TE then I have to question coach's sanity. Obviously we are gonna use and need our TE' s but this year, with four All-American type receivers with a future hall of fame quarterback throwing to them you have to put them on the field. It will also imo give Najee more one on ones with a linebacker and Najee is a much better athlete than most of you guys realize. This offense will be historical. Heck, last year it was historical.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:06 am to Commander Data
Yes, because it’s just a numbers game. You remove an in line blocker when you go 4 wide but you also move a defender out of the box. So in that sense I don’t see it being an issue.
I’d question how well we will block with two tight ends in short yardage and goal line situations with Irv and Hentges gone more that I would how we will run it in a regular 4 wide set out in the field. If you put JJ, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle on the field, the defense is going to spread out and move away from the box. That obviously doesn’t work in the red zone though.
I’d question how well we will block with two tight ends in short yardage and goal line situations with Irv and Hentges gone more that I would how we will run it in a regular 4 wide set out in the field. If you put JJ, Ruggs, Smith, and Waddle on the field, the defense is going to spread out and move away from the box. That obviously doesn’t work in the red zone though.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:13 am to Bham Bammer
I fear what you will see is what we saw from Clemson and MSU. They will send the slot corner and maybe both inside backers, more people than we can pick up. Safety sits on the slot on the blitz side. Someone's coming free.
They're playing man with no deep help but you have zero time.
They're playing man with no deep help but you have zero time.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:25 am to Bham Bammer
Bring in an extra offensive lineman or linemen if in short yardage situations. The depth at tight end may not be great but we have a surplus of talented linemen.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 12:20 pm to Commander Data
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Can we run effectively with four wide and no TE on the field?
Yes.
However, our TE depth chart is not so bad that we have to abandon sets that involve the TE.
Secondly, there are more options than 4 Wide if the TE is off the field, most notably 2 Back 3 Wide.
But yes, all teams in CFB want to run the football against pass defenses, and pass the football against run defenses. Running out of 4 Wide is almost the entire Air Raid run game. Of course it can be done, and can be deadly as the defense has to be in Nickel or Dime.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 12:58 pm to Commander Data
I expect them to use someone like Randolf much like they did Brandon Greene a few years ago.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:03 pm to antibarner
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I fear what you will see is what we saw from Clemson and MSU.
I don't fear it, I hope they do it. Most teams that try to defend us that way will be run out of the house. Tua will carve them up. MSU and Clemson could afford that game plan because of how ridiculously talented they were in the front seven. Most any other team will give up 60+ to our offense. Duke or Arkansas doing it is different than Clemson doing it.
Also, the x factor that some of us aren't thinking of is that Tua will be in his third year. Last year he was like a created player from the ncaa games with a 99 rating across the board. He is only going to be better this year with more experience and a better fundamental understanding of reading a defense and making adjustments based on proper reads.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:27 am to Commander Data
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I am obviously a homer for sure but the combo of Tua/Jeudy/Waddle/Smith/Ruggs is as good as any combo currently in the NFL.
I'd trade them for Ryan, Julio, Ridley, Sanu, and Hardy and enjoy scoring 70 on everyone this year.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:50 am to elposter
I'm sure Sark has thought of this but just insert another lineman at "TE" and cover him up with a receiver on the line in a 3 wide set. He's not an eligible receiver because he's covered up but it gives you an extra blocker.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:50 am to phil4bama
I'm sure they will do this some, because we always have. The tight end just gives you that other threat to be accounted for. We frequently will use jumbo sets with an extra offensive lineman (or two).
Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:10 pm to Bham Bammer
We'll have olinemen be the TE in red zone situations.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 8/27/19 at 10:51 am to Commander Data
quote:The word's historic I think.
This offense will be historical. Heck, last year it was historical.
edit: I just checked and your 2nd "historical" is correct...my bad.
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:09 am to Commander Data
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but the combo of Tua/Jeudy/Waddle/Smith/Ruggs is as good as any combo currently in the NFL.
why does everything have to be such hyperbole?
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