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re: Can Bama Hold Off Clemson?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 1:43 pm to FairhopeTider
Posted on 5/10/19 at 1:43 pm to FairhopeTider
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Whether it’s by design or just a symptom of Dabo’s Coaching style, Clemson always starts the year playing below their standard. They get a few scares and/or a loss, reset, then hit their stride. If Syracuse stops them on 4th down last year, they may not have made the Playoff.
If it's by design, then someone tell our coaches to tank the first 3 quarters versus Duke.
As a Bama fan, I'm tired of seeing a December Alabama team that would get smoked by it's September self.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 4:28 pm to FairhopeTider
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Whether it’s by design or just a symptom of Dabo’s Coaching style, Clemson always starts the year playing below their standard. They get a few scares and/or a loss, reset, then hit their stride. If Syracuse stops them on 4th down last year, they may not have made the Playoff.
Not much different than us, sans last year with Tua.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:13 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Also OP is a Clemson fan. He has a thread on the off-topic board in which he’s arguing Clemson is the best CFB team of all time.
I was a walk-on WR at Alabama in the late '90s when Dabo was the WR coach, so I have a deeper interest in this budding rivalry than most people because of my ties to both sides.
And yes, the thread title could have been more descriptive, but hey, everyone was going to click on it regardless.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:39 pm to Globetrotter747
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I was a walk-on WR at Alabama in the late '90s when Dabo was the WR coach
Prove it
Posted on 5/11/19 at 11:27 am to Globetrotter747
Haha that was quick.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 11:27 am to Globetrotter747
Globe if you wouldn’t mind making the title something like Matchup Clemson and Bama 2019 or whatever.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 12:03 pm to Globetrotter747
Ah so you’re one of those who likes the coach more than the program he went to? Did you graduate from UA? I’m just curious why someone who went to UA would be such a fan of Clemson.. and never post anything about the school he actually went to.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 12:26 pm to Vidic
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Ah so you’re one of those who likes the coach more than the program he went to?
Even if that were true, what’s wrong with valuing your relationships with people more than uniforms and buildings?
If your son went to Auburn and played QB, would you pull for 11 guys you don’t know to tear his head off just because they are wearing crimson jerseys and maybe took English 101 in the same building you did? Probably not. I imagine you would pull for your son.
Relationships matter.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 12:43 pm to Globetrotter747
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Even if that were true, what’s wrong with valuing your relationships with people more than uniforms and buildings?
If your son went to Auburn and played QB, would you pull for 11 guys you don’t know to tear his head off just because they are wearing crimson jerseys and maybe took English 101 in the same building you did? Probably not. I imagine you would pull for your son.
Relationships matter.
Now wait a minute. Are you saying that you when UA and Clemson play, you want Clemson to win? And this is because you know one guy on Clemson's staff? What about if one of the guys you liked on the coaching staff at UA when you were there goes to Auburn. Will you then want Auburn to beat Alabama too?
I do believe that a relationship with somebody you think a lot of is more important than a single ball game, but I also believe that you can value that relationship but still want to whip their arse.
For example: when you played ball, did you want to beat the guy on the other side of the line that was defending you? Did that impact the friendship you may have had with him? Of course not.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 12:56 pm to John Milner
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For example: when you played ball, did you want to beat the guy on the other side of the line that was defending you? Did that impact the friendship you may have had with him? Of course not.
I don’t really see it that way because I am not out there competing. I’m not as hardcore Bama as most on this board. I had a great experience there, but I don’t get that into it emotionally.
And I didn’t necessarily say I pull for Dabo over Bama. I just like both sides and it doesn’t matter much to me who wins. It’s just intriguing to watch.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 1:07 pm to Globetrotter747
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I just like both sides and it doesn’t matter much to me who wins. It’s just intriguing to watch.
As you know, Dabo is a pretty big homer for Alabama (which doesn't necessarily mean he would come back if he got the call). He has spoken fondly and passionately of his time at Alabama that it's easy to see that in him.
But some are more emotional about a place in their life, and some are less. No crime or sin to that.
This post was edited on 5/11/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 5/11/19 at 1:21 pm to Globetrotter747
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Even if that were true, what’s wrong with valuing your relationships with people more than uniforms and buildings?
If your son went to Auburn and played QB, would you pull for 11 guys you don’t know to tear his head off just because they are wearing crimson jerseys and maybe took English 101 in the same building you did? Probably not. I imagine you would pull for your son.
Relationships matter.
You are a free man and have every right to pull for whatever teams or teams you like, and you owe no one in life an explanation. However, purporting yourself to be an Alabama fan and then starting the threads and saying the things you've said in the last few days deserves to be called out, should be called out, and will continue to be called out should anyone else conduct themselves similarly.
But fine, you cheer for Alabama and Clemson. Congrats, I guess? Moving on.
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What does the Tide need to do to keep Clemson from stealing the throne as the top program in CFB? Any changes or just doing the same things better? Clemson is arguably already there (not quite but very close, IMO) but another title next year and it’s pretty much solidified.
You, like everyone else, is suffering from some strong recency bias. Clemson got us the last game, and the scoreboard looked bad. However, we all know that it only looked that way due to us having the worst game imaginable inside the 10 yard line, with many of the errors unforced.
Clemson took advantage of our bad play, and kudos to them. But lets not act like Clemson smoked Bama's A game - they certainly did not, and that bears significant importance in a conversation of where both programs are at at this moment in time.
Personally, I don't think Clemson beats Alabama if Trevon Diggs is healthy and playing, as I think it completely takes away Savion Smith's man running free all night. I also don't think we lose ANY game in the last 2 years if we had stayed healthy at OLB. Yes, this paragraph is about Ifs, but that is exactly the point. Sometimes in CFB, the difference between a championship and not is something (or some things) very small, and Alabama has had some bad injury luck on defense of late, which has affected us late in the season against multiple teams, and we just happened to meet Clemson late in seasons.
How many here think we lose to Clemson if we had played in September, before the injuries at OLB and Corner and before they had a year of game film and a cake schedule in which to relax and focus on Alabama? I don't think so at all, even if you give them late season Surfer Boy at QB.
And that game would have counted just the same as a game in January.
My point is this: Clemson has risen to the point that Alabama can certainly lose to them if it doesn't bring it's A game. However, they needed 2 illegal pick plays for TDs to beat us in 2016, and we've already discussed last year. Clemson deserves all of our respect - but nothing more than that. They do not deserves anyone's fear, and they certainly do not deserve to be elevated over Alabama in anyone's estimation as a program.
Why? Everyone loves to talk about the identical records in the last 4 years, and Clemson beating us 2 out of the last 3 games. Wait, tho. Why are folks using that cut-off? Because it makes Clemson look better. It doesn't make Clemson look good to remind everyone that Alabama has never missed the Playoffs. It also doesn't look good to remind everyone that when we smoked them 2 years ago, they'd have needed 8 quarters to get to double-digit points. It was an embarrassing loss for them where they got smoked by a Bama team with a RB at QB. Nah, no one wants to remember that.
And what about that 2015 Championship? And what about making the playoffs in 2014? And what about auburn needing one of the flukiest plays in CFB history to keep us out of the title game in 2013? What about those titles in 2012 and 2011? Where was Clemson all that time?
You see, Bama finally has a nemesis, a team that seems to be doing it as well as Alabama, and kudos to them. I welcome it. CFB was becoming a little boring actually with our domination. But the Bama fatigue has caused everyone to fall in love with the new girl at school, quickly forgetting that Bama has been running this bitch for a decade.
Yes, Clemson is recruiting very well right now, but this is normal. Every team gets a huge recruiting boost after a Natty. It's normal, and not special to Clemson. But oh how quickly everyone wants to forget how amazing Bama's last recruiting class was, like it didn't happen or happened in the Mesozoic Era. Dude, it was like...the last class.
And so my point is that while Clemson deserves all the credit and respect for where they currently stand, the title game last year was just that - one game, and it's silly to use it to try to justify some changing of the guard at the top of CFB.
Clemson used a weak schedule (and somehow got those Dlineman to stay in school another year) and focused on and game-planned Alabama for the entire year, and they got us when we were down a tick. But they HAD to do that because we are the king, and we're still the king. They better do that shite again next year. They better live, eat, and breathe Alabama every second of their lives as long as Saban is in Tuscaloosa, because now the King is pissed. And the Kind still has a crazy roster of talent and seemingly righted it's coaching ship.
But lastly, thank you Globetrotter for your tacit salt on Alabama, and thank you to all the media members and pundits crowning Clemson a better program than Alabama. It's exactly what we need in Tuscaloosa.
But be careful what you wish for.
This post was edited on 5/11/19 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/11/19 at 5:14 pm to John Milner
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As you know, Dabo is a pretty big homer for Alabama (which doesn't necessarily mean he would come back if he got the call). He has spoken fondly and passionately of his time at Alabama that it's easy to see that in him.
Of course.
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You are a free man and have every right to pull for whatever teams or teams you like, and you owe no one in life an explanation. However, purporting yourself to be an Alabama fan and then starting the threads and saying the things you've said in the last few days deserves to be called out, should be called out, and will continue to be called out should anyone else conduct themselves similarly.
But fine, you cheer for Alabama and Clemson. Congrats, I guess? Moving on.
I'm more of a general CFB fan who finds this matchup intriguing for reasons already mentioned.
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You, like everyone else, is suffering from some strong recency bias
Not really.
Bama and Clemson have had pretty much equal results the last four years (same record vs. each other and the rest of CFB, I think) and that's with Dabo still establishing himself as an elite coach heading an elite program.
When Saban went to Bama in '07, he already had great credibility and was taking over a blue blood program. In '08, Dabo took over as an interim HC who had never even been a coordinator at a school that hadn't really accomplished that much.
Now that Dabo has two national titles on his resume, he can recruit even better and he's not even 50 years old yet. You can bet he's going to be hell to deal with in Saban's twilight years.
It will be interesting to see who gets the upper hand from this point forward.
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And what about that 2015 Championship? And what about making the playoffs in 2014? And what about auburn needing one of the flukiest plays in CFB history to keep us out of the title game in 2013? What about those titles in 2012 and 2011? Where was Clemson all that time?
Again, Dabo started as a HC who hadn't done anything at a program that was a perennial underachiever. Both his and Clemson's credibility is a helluva lot higher now than it was when the '11 and '12 rosters were built.
Clemson is a totally different animal now.
What you're saying regarding Alabama and Clemson in '11 and '12 is like a 25 year old bragging about wins in one-on-one basketball against his 20 year old brother when the former was 18 and the latter was 13 and they were at very different stages of maturity. That's great, but what does it matter now that both are in their 20s? Saban was a mature coach when he went to Alabama. Dabo was not when took over at Clemson. Now that Dabo is in his prime, it's a different matchup.
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And so my point is that while Clemson deserves all the credit and respect for where they currently stand, the title game last year was just that - one game, and it's silly to use it to try to justify some changing of the guard at the top of CFB.
I said in my OP that I still consider Bama to be the top program in CFB. But if Bama gets smoked again and Clemson makes it 3 out of 4, I don't see how you don't put the Tigers at the top.
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But lastly, thank you Globetrotter for your tacit salt on Alabama, and thank you to all the media members and pundits crowning Clemson a better program than Alabama. It's exactly what we need in Tuscaloosa.
I didn't say that. In fact, I said, "Clemson is arguably already there (not quite but very close, IMO) but another title next year and it’s pretty much solidified."
Anything unreasonable about that statement?
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But be careful what you wish for.
I don't wish for anything but another Bama-Clemson national championship matchup.
This post was edited on 5/11/19 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 5/11/19 at 6:35 pm to Globetrotter747
GT, thanks for that excellent post, and thank you for being willing to go long form. Many here won't. Regarding your post...
What are you talking about with "still establishing himself". Dabo is established, and is as established as a coach can possibly be in CFB, and has been that for a few years now. Clemson under Dabo has arrived fully, and did so a few years ago.
Dabo Swinney has been a head football coach in power 5 football for more than a decade, and you are acting like he's a baby who just got started a couple of months ago.
Secondly, I take issue with "same record vs. each other and the rest of CFB". Saban and Alabama have gotten these results in the context of 1) the SEC being the toughest conference in CFB, and 2) The SEC West being the toughest division in CFB. Clemson got the same record in the context of the ACC completely crumbling around it, with all of the perennially good teams changing coaching staffs and wandering in the desert, most notably FSU, VT, and Miami. Don't forget that this same Clemson success came in the context of Spurrier dropping the ball at SoCar and the Gamecocks having to completely reset with a new coach. SoCar had been wearing that arse out for a number of years...
Additionally, Alabama played in the title game a year ago, which is a huge game that we won the Clemson didn't even play in. In 2017, Alabama entered the 4 team playoffs and won 2 consecutive tough games to win the title, and Clemson entered that same tournament and got bounce immediately, scoring a total of 6 points in the tournament. Bama has played in 4 consecutive National championship games. Clemson has not.
Additionally, we should have played one more game than Clemson in the last 4 years, but did not as we didn't play in the SEC championship game in 2017. Why? Because our 1 loss came to a division opponent who won the tie-breaker and represented the West, while Clemson's 1 loss (each year they had one) was never to an opponent who had a shot at the ACC championship game.
Simply put, Clemson's last 4 years are similar to Alabama's in some ways, but very different when the strength of the conference and SOS is taken in to account. However, Clemson and Alabama have split the last 4 meetings, and that is the only reason the conversation has merit from Clemson's perspective.
You are acting like Clemson was Rutgers or something. Clemson had a rabid fanbase and great gameday atmostphere long before Dabo got there, and was ripe for taking that next step with the right coach. They got the right guy and poured oceans of money into the program, and now have the results they have. But all of this is logical and not other-worldy accomplishment-wise, while you are acting like Dabo created a supernatural oasis in the desert. Clemson was always one of those programs that could turn into a modern blueblood. They weren't chopped liver as program.
Wait, I thought you said Dabo is still establishing himself?
Yes, you are right. Clemson has recently turned into the animal that Alabama has been for more than a decade.
Are you implying that we didn't smoke Clemson 2 years ago? I personally think Alabama and Clemson have each smoked the other in consecutive years. And even with another loss, it would be 3 out of 5 - not 3 out of 4. You are not allowed to arbitrarily make numbers' cut-offs to purposefully change the narrative to make Clemson look better. You see, you are only remembering parts of the story, not all of it.
I disagree with the application or use of this style of logic, and that is the crux of the issue. Everyone wants to see the giant fall, and create this narrative of some kind of "turning point" against Saban and Alabama, and this narrative doesn't exist. There is no evidence of any vector that either program is on to insinuate that either team has a continued, rolling advantage over the other. Clemson got us last year. We got them the year before that. Etcetera. And each year is a new year and we'll see how the games play out.
My issue in all of this is a person desiring to create this narrative of Bama being replaced at the top as if it's a story. It's not. We've just been so dominant for so long that it seems like a story.
Each year is different, and congrats to Clemson for beating us badly recently. But that win doesn't have anything to do with the next time we meet up. I've seen my team weather the storms of change and time and stay at the top throughout. Clemson has recently arrived at the top of late. Staying there is a completely different task, and I think you are putting carts before horses in assuming that Clemson will stay there.
I agree that it will be super interesting going forward, but I think you might be making some really big assumptions about Clemson's continued rise or Alabama's demise. Clemson has reached the ceiling - there's nowhere above where the are, for them or any other team, including Alabama. What they have to do now is maintain, which is much harder than building. Alabama has proven the ability to maintain, and deserves the respect that comes with that. We'll see if Clemson can keep it going. I personally hope so, as I find the match-up as fascinating as you do.
It's really hard to win 2 Nattys in a row. Almost impossible. My memory is fuzzy. Who was the last team to do that?
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Bama and Clemson have had pretty much equal results the last four years (same record vs. each other and the rest of CFB, I think) and that's with Dabo still establishing himself as an elite coach heading an elite program.
What are you talking about with "still establishing himself". Dabo is established, and is as established as a coach can possibly be in CFB, and has been that for a few years now. Clemson under Dabo has arrived fully, and did so a few years ago.
Dabo Swinney has been a head football coach in power 5 football for more than a decade, and you are acting like he's a baby who just got started a couple of months ago.
Secondly, I take issue with "same record vs. each other and the rest of CFB". Saban and Alabama have gotten these results in the context of 1) the SEC being the toughest conference in CFB, and 2) The SEC West being the toughest division in CFB. Clemson got the same record in the context of the ACC completely crumbling around it, with all of the perennially good teams changing coaching staffs and wandering in the desert, most notably FSU, VT, and Miami. Don't forget that this same Clemson success came in the context of Spurrier dropping the ball at SoCar and the Gamecocks having to completely reset with a new coach. SoCar had been wearing that arse out for a number of years...
Additionally, Alabama played in the title game a year ago, which is a huge game that we won the Clemson didn't even play in. In 2017, Alabama entered the 4 team playoffs and won 2 consecutive tough games to win the title, and Clemson entered that same tournament and got bounce immediately, scoring a total of 6 points in the tournament. Bama has played in 4 consecutive National championship games. Clemson has not.
Additionally, we should have played one more game than Clemson in the last 4 years, but did not as we didn't play in the SEC championship game in 2017. Why? Because our 1 loss came to a division opponent who won the tie-breaker and represented the West, while Clemson's 1 loss (each year they had one) was never to an opponent who had a shot at the ACC championship game.
Simply put, Clemson's last 4 years are similar to Alabama's in some ways, but very different when the strength of the conference and SOS is taken in to account. However, Clemson and Alabama have split the last 4 meetings, and that is the only reason the conversation has merit from Clemson's perspective.
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When Saban went to Bama in '07, he already had great credibility and was taking over a blue blood program. In '08, Dabo took over as an interim HC who had never even been a coordinator at a school that hadn't really accomplished that much.
You are acting like Clemson was Rutgers or something. Clemson had a rabid fanbase and great gameday atmostphere long before Dabo got there, and was ripe for taking that next step with the right coach. They got the right guy and poured oceans of money into the program, and now have the results they have. But all of this is logical and not other-worldy accomplishment-wise, while you are acting like Dabo created a supernatural oasis in the desert. Clemson was always one of those programs that could turn into a modern blueblood. They weren't chopped liver as program.
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Now that Dabo is in his prime, it's a different matchup.
Wait, I thought you said Dabo is still establishing himself?
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Clemson is a totally different animal now.
Yes, you are right. Clemson has recently turned into the animal that Alabama has been for more than a decade.
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But if Bama gets smoked again and Clemson makes it 3 out of 4,
Are you implying that we didn't smoke Clemson 2 years ago? I personally think Alabama and Clemson have each smoked the other in consecutive years. And even with another loss, it would be 3 out of 5 - not 3 out of 4. You are not allowed to arbitrarily make numbers' cut-offs to purposefully change the narrative to make Clemson look better. You see, you are only remembering parts of the story, not all of it.
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It will be interesting to see who gets the upper hand from this point forward.
I disagree with the application or use of this style of logic, and that is the crux of the issue. Everyone wants to see the giant fall, and create this narrative of some kind of "turning point" against Saban and Alabama, and this narrative doesn't exist. There is no evidence of any vector that either program is on to insinuate that either team has a continued, rolling advantage over the other. Clemson got us last year. We got them the year before that. Etcetera. And each year is a new year and we'll see how the games play out.
My issue in all of this is a person desiring to create this narrative of Bama being replaced at the top as if it's a story. It's not. We've just been so dominant for so long that it seems like a story.
Each year is different, and congrats to Clemson for beating us badly recently. But that win doesn't have anything to do with the next time we meet up. I've seen my team weather the storms of change and time and stay at the top throughout. Clemson has recently arrived at the top of late. Staying there is a completely different task, and I think you are putting carts before horses in assuming that Clemson will stay there.
I agree that it will be super interesting going forward, but I think you might be making some really big assumptions about Clemson's continued rise or Alabama's demise. Clemson has reached the ceiling - there's nowhere above where the are, for them or any other team, including Alabama. What they have to do now is maintain, which is much harder than building. Alabama has proven the ability to maintain, and deserves the respect that comes with that. We'll see if Clemson can keep it going. I personally hope so, as I find the match-up as fascinating as you do.
It's really hard to win 2 Nattys in a row. Almost impossible. My memory is fuzzy. Who was the last team to do that?
Posted on 5/11/19 at 6:56 pm to Globetrotter747
Ah so you’re a walk-on who transferred. No wonder you don’t care about Alabama. Why are you here then If you’re so indifferent? There’s a MSB to discuss OOC teams.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:19 pm to prevatt33
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Dabo Swinney has been a head football coach in power 5 football for more than a decade, and you are acting like he's a baby who just got started a couple of months ago.
If Nick Saban had arrived at Alabama in '07 with the same resume he had when he was at Toledo, do you think he would have had the same initial recruiting success? Would he have had the same rock star welcome when he arrived at Bama? No, of course not. When Saban was hired at Bama he had already proven that he could win championships and put players in the NFL.
Back in '08, Dabo had little credibility as a head coach, especially recruiting in state against a legend like Spurrier. It took him a while to develop a reputation as a winner. He has a lot more clout now, especially after earning a second national title.
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Secondly, I take issue with "same record vs. each other and the rest of CFB". Saban and Alabama have gotten these results in the context of 1) the SEC being the toughest conference in CFB, and 2) The SEC West being the toughest division in CFB. Clemson got the same record in the context of the ACC completely crumbling around it, with all of the perennially good teams changing coaching staffs and wandering in the desert, most notably FSU, VT, and Miami. Don't forget that this same Clemson success came in the context of Spurrier dropping the ball at SoCar and the Gamecocks having to completely reset with a new coach. SoCar had been wearing that arse out for a number of years...
1. Not Clemson's fault.
2. SOS knew the tables had turned in the Clemson rivalry and he quit.
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Simply put, Clemson's last 4 years are similar to Alabama's in some ways, but very different when the strength of the conference and SOS is taken in to account. However, Clemson and Alabama have split the last 4 meetings, and that is the only reason the conversation has merit from Clemson's perspective.
Clemson is 2-2 with Alabama over the last four years with a long break between the regular season and the playoff games. They have been every bit as good as Bama during that period.
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You are acting like Clemson was Rutgers or something. Clemson had a rabid fanbase and great gameday atmostphere long before Dabo got there, and was ripe for taking that next step with the right coach. They got the right guy and poured oceans of money into the program, and now have the results they have. But all of this is logical and not other-worldy accomplishment-wise, while you are acting like Dabo created a supernatural oasis in the desert. Clemson was always one of those programs that could turn into a modern blueblood. They weren't chopped liver as program.
What Dabo has accomplished is pretty damn impressive.
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Wait, I thought you said Dabo is still establishing himself?
He is firmly established as at least the second best coach in CFB right now. Five years ago that wasn't the case.
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Yes, you are right. Clemson has recently turned into the animal that Alabama has been for more than a decade.
And Dabo is only 49 and will be a national title contender for as long as he is there. Dabo and Clemson have matured into Bama's equal.
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Are you implying that we didn't smoke Clemson 2 years ago? I personally think Alabama and Clemson have each smoked the other in consecutive years. And even with another loss, it would be 3 out of 5 - not 3 out of 4. You are not allowed to arbitrarily make numbers' cut-offs to purposefully change the narrative to make Clemson look better. You see, you are only remembering parts of the story, not all of it.
I can use whatever numbers I think are relevant for determining the current state of a program and how it is trending. If Clemson wins the national title next year I would consider them the top program in the country.
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It's really hard to win 2 Nattys in a row. Almost impossible. My memory is fuzzy. Who was the last team to do that?
How is winning B2B national titles almost impossible when it has happened in virtually every decade?
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:23 pm to Globetrotter747
Swinney is obviously a good coach but Clemson has benefited more from a lack of competition in the ACC than any other single factor, including Swinney all of a sudden being so much better.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:59 pm to Globetrotter747
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f Nick Saban had arrived at Alabama in '07 with the same resume he had when he was at Toledo, do you think he would have had the same initial recruiting success? Would he have had the same rock star welcome when he arrived at Bama? No, of course not. When Saban was hired at Bama he had already proven that he could win championships and put players in the NFL.
Back in '08, Dabo had little credibility as a head coach, especially recruiting in state against a legend like Spurrier. It took him a while to develop a reputation as a winner. He has a lot more clout now, especially after earning a second national title.
So?
Do you have a point?
Saban is older. Dabo is younger.
What in the swirly diddly frick does it matter?
Clemson is currently an excellent football team. If Clemson and Bama meet in the coming few years, the ages of the coaches won't mean dick regarding who wins - it'll be who has the better team.
You seem to have a specific narrative and specific things that you value, and that's fine. You're holding Saban's past succes against him, and implying the Dabo's success is more impressive because he didn't have success earlier, due to age or whatever. That's fine for you, but I don't care and I don't think it's important at all.
Good luck to your team in the future. I hope your team's pathetic schedule and pathetic conference once again help them get a meeting with the Roll Tide. We'll be ready.
After the game, spin it however you want. I'm sure you will.
But I've spent enough time discussing this topic with a Clemson fan with an agenda. You are welcome to continue with another poster. It won't be me. I want to talk football - Xs and Os and such - not some outside-the-game who's-on-top-when-in-reality-no-one-is bullshite subjective narrative you're after.
Take care.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 10:07 pm to prevatt33
Sorry, last thing: I forgot something...
Not only did your team need 2 illegal pick plays to beat Alabama in 2016, it also needed Bams's starting RB's leg to break near the end of the 3rd quarter.
But don't worry about it. Your team has surpassed Alabama in every way. Our coach has one foot in the grave, and he had past success so he's doomed and we're doomed. New success is the only success that counts. Dabo will continue to improve as a coach, and he'll probably go 16-0 next year with a 15 game schedule. I say Bama should forfeit now - we can't compete with a still being established Dabo at Clemson.
Not only did your team need 2 illegal pick plays to beat Alabama in 2016, it also needed Bams's starting RB's leg to break near the end of the 3rd quarter.
But don't worry about it. Your team has surpassed Alabama in every way. Our coach has one foot in the grave, and he had past success so he's doomed and we're doomed. New success is the only success that counts. Dabo will continue to improve as a coach, and he'll probably go 16-0 next year with a 15 game schedule. I say Bama should forfeit now - we can't compete with a still being established Dabo at Clemson.
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