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Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:56 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:56 pm to East Coast Band
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2011, lost SEC championship opportunity in GOTC, missed 4 FGs.
We still won a Natty. I can't get on board with any 'woe is us' stuff in a National Championship year.
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2013: lost SEC championship and possible BCS
Fair point, although I don't think we were a championship quality team that year. But 0-4 in that game is a very fair point.
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 8:08 pm to prevatt33
Additionally, every year, most teams in college football have issues with kicking that cost or nearly cost them a win or multiple wins. It's commonplace in all levels of organized football. Hell, Blankenship, maybe the best kicker in GA history, was so off in their last game versus us that he missed his lone FG opportunity and Kirby never had the confidence to call his number again.
Sure, I want our kicking to radically improve, but I can't sanction fans - during the most dominant dynasty in CFB history - calling an aspect of the team 'cursed'. It's just ridiculous on the face of it.
But, yes, of course, when Bama has kicking issues, it must be a curse.
Sure, I want our kicking to radically improve, but I can't sanction fans - during the most dominant dynasty in CFB history - calling an aspect of the team 'cursed'. It's just ridiculous on the face of it.
But, yes, of course, when Bama has kicking issues, it must be a curse.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:09 pm to prevatt33
I see what you’re saying about how kicking hasn’t directly lead to a championship loss. It hasn’t always helped us tho. A field goal could have prevented a needed OT win against UGA in the title game. Luckily we still pulled it out so it doesn't matter. That’s kind of what you’re saying. “Well we still won so it doesn’t matter”. No offense but that’s ignorant. When we’re missing multiple extra points in a game. We have a kicking problem. We missed more extra points just last year than Auburn has in the past 5 years. Not just field goals, extra points. That’s a problem.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:48 pm to GAFF
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“Well we still won so it doesn’t matter”. No offense but that’s ignorant.
No offense taken, but that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm trying to directly argue against the idea that kicking has been an extended problem in the Saban era, when it clearly hasn't been.
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We have a kicking problem.
As it relates to last year, most certainly. I completely agree. But that doesn't mean that there's an extended "cursed" kicking narrative at Bama. We've had some really good kicking during this dynasty, but many want to forget that.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:01 pm to GAFF
But don't get me wrong - "Do we have a kicker?" is one of my biggest questions going in to the 2019 season.
However, I've been arguing against Bama fans' railing about kicking woes for a few years now, and I will continue to do so. Way too many fans highlight the misses and don't remember the makes. I've got a buddy IRL - big Bama fan, Alum, season ticket holder and mid-level donor - who will forever rant about Griffith starting that year by missing his first 4 kicks and go on and on about how awful he was. But he NEVER remembers the absolute tear Griffith went on for the rest of the season, and most fans don' either. Griffith went 19/23 in the SEC that year and single-handedly won the Iron bowl and had a third of our points versus LSU himself. Dude was clutch. But most fans remember it differently, and I'm here to remind everyone of the reality.
Our kicking was epicly (epically?) bad last year. No doubt about it. But there is no curse of any kind or extended poor kicking narrative at Bama. There just isn't.
However, I've been arguing against Bama fans' railing about kicking woes for a few years now, and I will continue to do so. Way too many fans highlight the misses and don't remember the makes. I've got a buddy IRL - big Bama fan, Alum, season ticket holder and mid-level donor - who will forever rant about Griffith starting that year by missing his first 4 kicks and go on and on about how awful he was. But he NEVER remembers the absolute tear Griffith went on for the rest of the season, and most fans don' either. Griffith went 19/23 in the SEC that year and single-handedly won the Iron bowl and had a third of our points versus LSU himself. Dude was clutch. But most fans remember it differently, and I'm here to remind everyone of the reality.
Our kicking was epicly (epically?) bad last year. No doubt about it. But there is no curse of any kind or extended poor kicking narrative at Bama. There just isn't.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:59 pm to prevatt33
Everything Nick Saban said at SEC Media Days 2019 (BamaOnLine)
What Tagovailoa, Moses, Jeudy said at SEC Media Days 2019 (BamaOnLine)
What Tagovailoa, Moses, Jeudy said at SEC Media Days 2019 (BamaOnLine)
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/18/19 at 3:10 am to prevatt33
Posted on 7/18/19 at 5:24 am to TidalSurge1
Very interesting response from Saban to Finebaum as to what went wrong for Alabama in the last few games.
He blames the Coaches!
LINK
Think he nails the problem on it's head. This to me explains Saban's lackadaisical almost unconcerned demeanor on the sidelines while we were getting abused. Like he was expecting the scenario being played out on the field. I had never seen him like that in any of the games before. What do you guys think?
He blames the Coaches!
LINK
Think he nails the problem on it's head. This to me explains Saban's lackadaisical almost unconcerned demeanor on the sidelines while we were getting abused. Like he was expecting the scenario being played out on the field. I had never seen him like that in any of the games before. What do you guys think?
Posted on 7/18/19 at 6:38 am to My2Bits
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Think he nails the problem on it's head. This to me explains Saban's lackadaisical almost unconcerned demeanor on the sidelines while we were getting abused. Like he was expecting the scenario being played out on the field.
Well, if he saw it coming after LSU and did nothing to correct the problem before it blew up in their faces, then who is really to blame?
One of his key roles as HC, in terms of management and oversight, is to hold his staff primaries to task. Failing to intervene and provide the proper purpose, motivation, and direction to get left of the problem falls on him. Hell, it's not like he hasn't lived through this scenario before with Kiffin and others.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 6:48 am to prevatt33
I can’t get the image to load off my phone but in the Saban area Bama has made 224 out of 314 field goal attempts. That equates to a 69% average. That’s 270 points that we left on the field.
That’s not even counting extra points.
That’s not even counting extra points.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 7:20 am to Che Boludo
Yes, it’s ultimately Saban’s role but if the team leaders don’t GAF and are worried about their draft status and the assistant coaches don’t GAF because they are worried about promotions and/or new jobs what can he do? His program is structured around everyone doing their job. He can’t do it all.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 7:51 am to Che Boludo
You must be one outstanding manager.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 7:56 am to GAFF
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I can’t get the image to load off my phone but in the Saban area Bama has made 224 out of 314 field goal attempts. That equates to a 69% average. That’s 270 points that we left on the field.
That's not really an accurate way of viewing things. The absolute best kickers in college football are usually around 85-90%. Some distances are low percentage shots, some aren't.
Not saying that it hasn't been an issue but you can't say that there have been 270 points left on the field because no team in history will be 100% in kicking over a ten year period. There probably has been 160 points realistically left on the field, which is still a whole lot.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:30 am to CrimsonBoz
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Thinks Sanders will beat out JROB
He thinks he will beat out Brian Robinson for the number two back?
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K Rob is a freak and is similar to Jacobs, staff loves him
That's great to hear. Is my favorite recruit of last years class. His high school film is fantastic.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:35 am to prevatt33
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When kicking costs Bama a trophy, then fans cause can logically moan all they want. Until then, cry me a river with this curse nonsense.
While I wouldn't say we're cursed, I do think kicking cost us a championship in '13, and I don't mean the Kick 6. If Foster makes just one of the three FGs he missed prior to that, Bama wins; they probably beat Mizzou in the SECCG and had a decent shot of beating FSU in the BCS...
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What, it was just 3 years ago when Griffith was maybe the damn MVP of the Natty. Dude made a TD saving tackle, made 1 fg, and of course the onside kick. The year before, we lose the Iron Bowl if Griffith doesnt go 5 for 5. And this is Griffith, who most Bama fans would put in the bottom half of Saban kickers and who many fans couldn't wait to leave!
Agree here...never could understand all the Griffith hate. Always thought he was a solid kicker, especially considering he played with a stress fracture in his back pretty much his entire time at Bama. His 5 FG game in the '15 Iron Bowl was awesome; I remember the 50-yarder he kicked, think it was right before halftime. Malzahn called a timeout and sent out a return man to the endzone, trying to psych out Griffith; he responded by nailing the kick and it'd would've been good from 60+. I'd also rate Griffith's onside kick right up there with Van Tiffin's kick in the Iron Bowl in '85...
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:36 am to RolltidePA
Agreed. Some of those kicks were low percentage kicks. I’m still trying to find a list of the ranges of the missed kicks. But it still goes to show that our kicking hasn’t been serviceable. At least to me it hasn’t. And this isn’t a personal attack to anyone. I was actually curious of the numbers myself and thought I’d share them.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:30 am to My2Bits
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Think he nails the problem on it's head. This to me explains Saban's lackadaisical almost unconcerned demeanor on the sidelines while we were getting abused. Like he was expecting the scenario being played out on the field. I had never seen him like that in any of the games before. What do you guys think?
It’s funny you say that. My dad’s best friend played at Alabama in the 70’s. I was talking to him yesterday about the game and he said Saban knew we were going to lose before we ever stepped on the field. That’s why Saban never got mad during the game.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:45 am to TizzyT4theUofA
The team definitely had an ego to put it mild. I get it, undefeated, beat the shite out of okie. Clemson laid it on us more specifically our secondary.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:46 am to CrimsonBoz
Well, the follow up question there is.........what is the feeling about this team's reaction to an offseason of being told that they were soft and got the big head?
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:54 am to Che Boludo
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Well, if he saw it coming after LSU and did nothing to correct the problem before it blew up in their faces, then who is really to blame?
shite...we played well up until Clemson and against stiff competition: MSU, Barn, UGA, and OU.
I don't recall seeing a lack of intensity anytime after LSU. We did look completely out of sorts against Clemson
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