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re: Boz - Pre Fall Camp Updates Needed

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Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted by tider04
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:03 pm to
Tua struggling with pro-style stuff is pretty concerning IMO. We aren't winning the natty running RPO only stuff. Clemson taught us that.
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:58 pm to
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Tua struggling with pro-style stuff is pretty concerning IMO. We aren't winning the natty running RPO only stuff. Clemson taught us that.


Assuming that the difficulty is coming from going through his post snap reads, I’m not too terribly worried. Clemson and MSU limiting big plays is what held Bama so far under their ppg total. But I can’t fathom an entire game where this receiving group isn’t getting open with a pro-style route scheme

If Tua gets a decent grasp of the offense, his arm talent plus these receivers will be deadly
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by East Coast Band
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:30 pm to
Afraid to ask, but do we have a kicker or punter this season?
Posted by Shaft Williams
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

Tua struggling with pro-style stuff is pretty concerning IMO. We aren't winning the natty running RPO only stuff. Clemson taught us that.


Saban didn't want Sark back to give Tua college QB responsibilities. Sark is back to give Tua a true NFL offense to run and NFL QB responsibilities. Give it time. Tua is as smart as he is physically talented.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 5:20 pm to
Delong has come a long way IMO and that of others.

Reichard has a great leg, if he doesn’t get the Bama Curse we should be better than average buttttttttt

If we get the curse well, missed PATs
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 5:38 pm to
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Sark is back to give Tua a true NFL offense to run and NFL QB responsibilities. Give it time. Tua is as smart as he is physically talented.



This is a thing that I want to believe.
Posted by My2Bits
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 5:47 pm to
Boz you keep this up this thread is going to be the most exciting thread on Bama Rant this season.
Excellent. Kudos.
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:20 pm to
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Tua struggling with pro-style stuff is pretty concerning IMO.


It's perfectly normal for a QB - any QB - to have a learning curve when changing offenses or implementing new stuff, and Tua's no different. He's not Superman. The other thing to remember is that it's July. If Tua is struggling with going through NFL-type progressions is October, I'll eat my socks.

Secondly, I'd highly doubt that Saban would take Tua to SEC Media Days if he thought or expected Tua to struggle in 2019.

The simple fact is that Tua is awesome, but he also has things to work on. These things are perfectly normal and even good for him and the team.
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:29 pm to
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Afraid to ask, but do we have a kicker or punter this season?


Regarding Punter, while being interviewed on air on ESPN during the Spring game, Saban specifically called attention to a great punt by DeLong and the fact that he struggled with confidence in game settings last year, but that they had worked with him and he was/is much improved, adding "but nobody wants to talk about that." Apparently, some folks don't want to listen to that, either. No offense.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:30 pm to
The Saban comments on Josh Jobe today were interesting.

quote:

“Josh Jobe has made a tremendous amount of improvement and has matured very nicely,” Saban said. “And we view him as a guy that is a potential starter and a guy that is playing in a way that, throughout the spring, that we have confidence that if he’s a starter, he can be very successful, and we can be very successful with him playing corner for us.”
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:33 pm to
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he doesn’t get the Bama Curse


I admit that some kickers for us haven't been the all-world kickers that we hoped they'd be when we signed them as top recruits at their positions, but we as Bama fans can't act like our kicking has been awful during this dynasty. Kicking has helped us win a number of championships, but we've never lost a championship because of kicking. We've lost a couple of games maybe, but never a championship.

There is no Bama curse regarding kickers. There's only a a fanbase with expectations in the stratosphere.
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:38 pm to
quote:

The Saban comments on Josh Jobe today were interesting.

quote:
“Josh Jobe has made a tremendous amount of improvement and has matured very nicely,” Saban said. “And we view him as a guy that is a potential starter and a guy that is playing in a way that, throughout the spring, that we have confidence that if he’s a starter, he can be very successful, and we can be very successful with him playing corner for us.”


From what I understand, the goal is to get Jobe up to snuff so that he plays the Corner spot opposite Surtain, thereby allowing Diggs to make plays at Star. As it stands right now, I believe the staff thinks our best Nickle secondary would be one with Diggs at Star rather than at Corner, and Jobe (or some other player, frankly) locking down that second Corner spot is the key to keeping Diggs at Star. Of course, if we played Base, I'd expect the corners to be Surtain and Diggs.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:39 pm to
There have been years where our place kicking was egregiously bad, most where it was average and a couple where it was very solid.

Last year it was egregiously bad.

- 120th of 130 nationally and 14th of 14 in the SEC in extra point %.

- 128th of 130 nationally and 14th of 14 in the SEC in average yards per punt
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 6:41 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 6:40 pm to
quote:

From what I understand, the goal is to get Jobe up to snuff so that he plays the Corner spot opposite Surtain, thereby allowing Diggs to make plays at Star. As it stands right now, I believe the staff thinks our best Nickle secondary would be one with Diggs at Star rather than at Corner, and Jobe (or some other player, frankly) locking down that second Corner spot is the key to keeping Diggs at Star. Of course, if we played Base, I'd expect the corners to be Surtain and Diggs.


I'm very excited about the plethora of young talent in the secondary. Really would love to see it all come together and have a nightmare back 5 again.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:02 pm to
Well the numbers don’t lie.

Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:28 pm to
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Kicking has helped us win a number of championships, but we've never lost a championship because of kicking. We've lost a couple of games maybe, but never a championship.

False, False, False.

Let's just go over the easy ones:
2011, lost SEC championship opportunity in GOTC, missed 4 FGs.
2013: lost SEC championship and possible BCS . "Kick 6" THE kick would have never had to be done, if we had a kicker to begin with. Total of 0-4 in FG that day, PLUS (IMO) the worst coaching decision of Saban's Alabama tenure of not kicking a 30 yard FG with 5 minutes to go, up 7. Everyone would kick it, but we had already missed 2 FGs by that point.
The only gut check FG made in the last 10 years by an Alabama kicker was a 27 yarder at the near end of the Alabama - LSU game in 2014 to send it to overtime (sandwiched in between by the now famous Foster tackle on Fournette's kickoff return)

eta: sorry to derail this thread. Back to the fall camp updates.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 7:30 pm
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 7:53 pm to
So? We had a bad year kicking. It doesn't mean there's a curse. It just means that you, and other fans like you, are so in the clouds as Bama fans that you can't believe that we just weren't good enough - there must be a supernatural explanation because THE University of Alabama can't possibly be 'just not good enough' in an area. It's a curse!

My arse.

Secondly, did our kicking woes last year cost us a game or a championship in any way? Nope. So why make suxh a big deal about it?

When kicking costs Bama a trophy, then fans cause can logically moan all they want. Until then, cry me a river with this curse nonsense.

What, it was just 3 years ago when Griffith was maybe the damn MVP of the Natty. Dude made a TD saving tackle, made 1 fg, and of course the onside kick. The year before, we lose the Iron Bowl if Griffith doesnt go 5 for 5. And this is Griffith, who most Bama fans would put in the bottom half of Saban kickers and who many fans couldn't wait to leave!

But we're cursed! The kicking under Saban has had its highs and lows, but it's trended near the CFB mean overall.

There is no curse. There are just fans who want to complain about something. Not speaking specifically about you, George - only the group you're representing in this conversation.
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