I know this has been beaten to death, but with Jalens comments this week I wanted to take another look at Jalens stats and try to be more objective; so I took a look at some other QB's during their peak season that have been gone through the SEC (somewhat) recently, and wanted to see what type of QB Bama would be missing if he leaves. I know that there are several factors that lead to different numbers, but it's still a fun and interesting look at things.

I purposefully left out one stat that would be the dead giveaway (int's) about who's who on this list, that may be unfair, but it's more fun to guess at who's who. I put the associated QB's at the bottom of the post.

QB #1

Passing
Cmp / Att: 182 / 296
Pct: 61.5
Yds: 2166
Y/A: 7.3
TD: 17
QB Rating: 137.2

Rushing
Att: 112
Yds: 171
Avg: 1.5
TD: 1

QB #2

Passing
Cmp / Att: 178 / 293
Pct: 60.8
Yds: 2532
Y/A: 8.6
TD: 20
QB Rating: 151.2

Rushing
Att: 153
Yds: 798
Avg: 5.2
TD: 11

QB #3

Passing
Cmp / Att: 154 / 255
Pct: 60.4
Yds: 2081
Y/A: 8.2
TD: 17
QB Rating: 150.2

Rushing
Att: 154
Yds: 855
Avg: 5.6
TD: 8

QB #4

Passing
Cmp / Att: 185 / 280
Pct: 66.1
Yds: 2854
Y/A: 10.2
TD: 30
QB Rating: 182.0

Rushing
Att: 264
Yds: 1473
Avg: 5.6
TD: 20

QB 1= Jordan Jefferson (2009) QB 2= Nick Marshall (2013) QB 3= Jalen Hurts (2017) QB 4= Cam Newton (2010)

Two things jumped out to me:

#1 It was interesting to see how closely Nick Marshall and Jalen were on stats. And #2 Just how damn good Cam Newton was - We all knew that, but just how much better he was than others he really was.

A smaller thing is how Jalen and Jordan Jefferson basically had/have the same passing numbers; which is kind of scary.

Long story short; breaking it down Jalen is similar to similar to a Nick Marshall or Jordan Jefferson type of player.

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Posted by prevatt33

Member since Dec 2011

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Posted on 8/8/18 at 2:08 pm to RolltidePA

All of these players can and did make plays. The problem is that they left too many plays on the field and didn't effectively utilize the surrounding talent nearly enough.

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Posted by SummerOfGeorge

Member since Jul 2013

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Posted on 8/8/18 at 2:27 pm to RolltidePA

The biggest issue with Jalen is that against the best teams on our schedule he has never proven to be able to effectively move the football, especially when forced to through the air. Total stats don't really do much but muddle the arguments, because we are able to overwhelm 75% of our schedule.

Prime Example (of those 3, not including Newton, plus Fitzgerald)

Jalen Hurts vs AP Ranked Opponents (11 games)
126/227 (55.5%)
11 TD/4 INT
137 YPG
6.7 YPA

Jordan Jefferson vs AP Ranked Opponents (15 games)
172/298 (57.7%)
12 TD/8 INT
128 YPG
6.4 YPA

Nick Fitzgerald vs AP Ranked Opponents (7 games)
94/200 (47.0%)
5 TD/6 INT
146 YPG
5.1 YPA

Nick Marshall vs AP Ranked Opponents (11 games)
164/286 (57.3%)
18 TD/9 INT
217 YPG
8.3 YPA

Marshall made a few more mistakes but was way, way more explosive and able to make plays through the air. Jalen is better than Jefferson was, but he was also in a better situation on offense to succeed. He and Jefferson are pretty damn similar.

This post was edited on 8/8/18 at 2:32 pm

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Posted by RolltidePA

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Member since Dec 2010

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Posted on 8/8/18 at 3:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge

Jalen really has been at his worst, when it counted the most. Your stats are a painful example of that.

I agree with everything you said expect this part.
--Total stats don't really do much but muddle the arguments, because we are able to overwhelm 75% of our schedule. --

Each one of the QB's played on elite teams and in a championship game; so the team aspect was a fair comparison, each one of those teams could roll 75% of their schedule. That's just my opinion and really is just splitting hairs, but hey, this is a message board and that's just what we do.

I was truly trying to be objective and let the numbers tell the story. It was eye opening when the numbers started netting out that Jalen and Jordan Jefferson were so damn similar. Overall it did leave me with the perspective that it is 100% fair to say that Jalen is being overvalued because of the win-loss record and that the overall team is more important to his success than vice versa.

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Posted by Fells

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Posted on 8/8/18 at 3:16 pm to RolltidePA

I've always considered Marshall and Hurts on the same tier, so that isn't surprising.

Both are excellent atheletes that are really playing QB over a position that they would probably excel at.

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Posted by SummerOfGeorge

Member since Jul 2013

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Posted on 8/8/18 at 3:23 pm to RolltidePA

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RolltidePA

I agree with you - I just think it's easier to look at the set of facts that are at issue. Either way, Jalen is what he is. And at this point he has a pretty large body of work (overall, vs bad teams, vs good teams) and he compares "favorably" to guys throughout history who we would all kind of go "meh" to.

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Posted by Commander Data

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Member since Dec 2016

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Posted on 8/8/18 at 3:42 pm to RolltidePA

Stats from his last three games in 2016 kind of hinted how bad he was against good competition. Then when he came out and threw for 80 yards against FSU last year in the opener I thought most logical fans could see we were in trouble at quarterback. After Texas A&M exposed him yet again the writing was painted even bigger on the wall. I wish nothing but success moving forward and I appreciate the blood, sweat and tears the young man shed for the team he loves. I can't wait to watch Tua this year growing pains and all. Gonna be weird having an elite talent like that at quarterback.

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