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re: Big Ten cancels 2020 Football season.

Posted on 8/11/20 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by BamaBo7
Madison,MS
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 5:02 pm to
Not to mention contracts with the conference, TV deals, sponsorships.. Its a whole lot of BS and red tape. Even the SEC network would have to be changed.. to add teams, broadcasts, ect. And that’s just football... then you all other sports.. traveling ect. The only teams we will take is regional teams. Makes more sense for schools and cost less to travel. That being said.. would love to pick up some ACC teams.. but I think the ACC is like us. They are in it to play.. which helps us play. Doesn’t seem like either one wants to be the first to cancel for the south. Nebraska could be interesting.. they might could rejoin the big 12
This post was edited on 8/11/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13143 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 5:04 pm to
Yea and it will have to be a fit long term , not just to get through a Covid season
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 6:16 pm to
Two things: I have yet to hear what magically happens between now and spring. Anyone care to enlighten me? And don’t say a vaccine or better treatments: there’s no guarantee of that.

Two: You want to avoid the potential liability of the myocarditis issue? Keep ‘em healthy! Isn’t that the aim of all these measures? Keep COVID out of your program. If they test positive, done for the season. Who’s to say whether they caught it on campus or on the field? The measures in place are the best science has to offer. If it doesn’t keep them negative, nothing short of isolation would.

The B1G and PAC are looking for excuses not to play.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 8:00 pm to
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:54 pm to
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Two things: I have yet to hear what magically happens between now and spring. Anyone care to enlighten me? And don’t say a vaccine or better treatments: there’s no guarantee of that.



The spring is just a delay option. A few months ago the ADs and conference were saying football would be a go this fall to keep hopes up, funding from boosters, and season tickets to get sold.

They are now hoping the spring will happen but have to see how the virus hits campuses with students back. They realize students will get it but the severity of it and how quickly they contain it is the concern right now. Mainly for liability reasons.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11825 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:05 pm to
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That being said.. would love to pick up some ACC teams.. but I think the ACC is like us


They are not going anywhere any time soon and no conference would want to pick them up long term due to money going back to their original conference. If an ACC team for example joined the SEC all money from their TV payout would go back to the ACC until 2036

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A prominent television executive told CBS Sports that the Big Ten's TV contract with the Big Ten Network, Fox and ESPN might preclude the Cornhuskers from becoming a "free agent" for the 2020 season.

Such a restriction would be similar to the grant of rights agreements in the Big 12 and ACC. Those grants bind schools' TV rights to a specific conference for a period of years. The ACC's grant of rights goes to 2036, while the Big 12's lasts until 2025.

If a school leaves before those dates, the conference from which it departs would own its TV rights. That has been more than enough to keep those teams in place.


Not to mention the ACC has a 50 million buyout if a team decides to leave while under contract.

You think any ACC team would pay 50 million to leave and give up all their TV money for another 16 years? Not going to happen
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:13 pm to
I’m just spitballing here but doesn’t the conference have a duty to uphold their end of the bargain? If they are not providing an avenue for a team to play when other conferences have, it would seem to me that the B1G has breached the contract. But I’m no lawyer and I certainly have a biased opinion on the subject. Still, I think a slick attorney could probably argue something along those lines.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11825 posts
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:35 pm to
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I’m just spitballing here but doesn’t the conference have a duty to uphold their end of the bargain? If they are not providing an avenue for a team to play when other conferences have, it would seem to me that the B1G has breached the contract. But I’m no lawyer and I certainly have a biased opinion on the subject. Still, I think a slick attorney could probably argue something along those lines.


Maybe but as long as the conference can demonstrate health as a priority it will not matter, especially now that other P5 conference are postponing the season.

The legality of it will also be affected by language. Were the season postponed or canceled. A few months ago this was a big issue with Live Nation, Ticketmaster, and other ticket vendors for show and athletic events. They are not required to give a refund for events postponed only for cancelled.

So if season is postponed no breach of contract.

This post was edited on 8/11/20 at 10:35 pm
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
13840 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 6:11 am to
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My guess is they are not far behind from postponing the fall season as well.




That may indeed be what's coming. It makes sense that the SEC put themselves on delay to simply wait it out just a little longer and try again for a fall season if at all humanly possible. The SEC is the only conference that has done this so they are really under a little less pressure to make any bold proclamations about the season just yet. It really was a wise move to let classes back on campus and see what develops from there. The ACC and Big 12 have some earlier decisions to now make with their upcoming schedule and it's going to be more than interesting as a college football fan to see if they are the next conferences to blink.

As far as the SEC is concerned, you gotta hope for the best on campus, in the classroom, dormitories, and stupid parties, and the like.
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 8/12/20 at 8:25 am to
plus, the SEC will get to watch a few of the nfl games and see what happens with those teams. I hope the B10 and the Pac 12 keep up with the number of their athletes that get Covid, and the media will be as aggressive in reporting those cases, as the ones in the SEC (if they play).

Nebraska writers calling for an end to their marriage with the B10. They need to hook back up with the Tejas schools.
Posted by ATLabama
Member since Jan 2013
1602 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:15 am to
While I think it was a tad early to call it a day for the B10 and P12, the arguments as to why it won't happen have already been beaten to death.

(1) Schools don't want to face liability should something happen due to COVID. With other major conferences with premier endowment funds bigger than those of almost any in the SEC (USC, Michigan, Stanford,etc...) choosing not to pick up their sword and take the risk - I imagine it would be hard for a school like Alabama or Arkansas to sit in front of the school board and make a sane argument as to why it's worth it - especially when 60% of the revenue has evaporated by not having full stadiums.

(2) The NCAA, the school, and the love of amateurism: Point blank - if at anytime any SEC school sends kids home early due to COVID, and the players stay, it punctures a massive hole in the student-athlete amateurism shield. There is no union for players (they can't have one - they aren't pros). Even if every player on Alabama's team posted #WeWantToPlay, it has as much of an impact on the decision as me blowing at the sun, trying to reverse it's course.

I will take 1:1 bets on the SEC not playing, for any amount of money, with anyone here. It's just not going to happen.

The product itself would be a shell of what we love about college football anyways. No tailgates, no packed crowds, no Friday nights at the bars... it'll just be a consortium of mismatched teams playing each other in front of metal bleachers. College football isn't great because the games are good (SEC margin of victory last year was over 2 TDs). It's because the atmosphere is so fun. What you would see on TV would be a mortal disservice to what we all love about CFB.

We need to do everything we can to get that back in 2021.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11825 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:35 am to
Agreed.

I think for so many that love the sport as we do the season being played is more of a sign things are getting back to normal and hopefully the virus is starting to fade.

It will be sad that some of these players we were hoping to see for the last time might not ever suit up for the team again and leave for the NFL or graduate and move on.

The fall without CFB will be a empty void hard to fill, at least for me.
Posted by ATLabama
Member since Jan 2013
1602 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:44 am to
Also, and credit Jeff Schultz of the AJC for bringing this up, there is another scary elephant in the room: Title IX.

If College Football is played, then you have to play women's sports this year equal to the 85 scholarships that football has - meaning: virtually all women's sports have to be played this calendar year.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12212 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:15 am to
I thought Title IX just made it so that their had to be an equal amount of scholarships between men's and woman's sports. The scholarships would still be there.

If football gets canceled, schools might not can afford to keep all the athletes on scholarships.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43317 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:53 am to
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We've all been to Alabama - there isn't any competition for fun in the state outside these teenage kids playing ball on Saturdays in the fall.



I'm impressed. You manage to be a condescending prick in all of your posts across various forums.

Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:37 am to
So we're all having this debate about college sports and there are valid arguments on both sides, but it begs the question: what the hell are high schools doing even contemplating sports if the big dollar schools in the P5 conferences don't feel they can keep the kids safe?
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44318 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:42 am to
I think the fact that high schools cannot grant an extra year of eligibility to players is weighing pretty heavily in their decisions to go forward. Not allowing a borderline college prospect to play as a senior very likely will have an extremely chilling effect on his ability to earn college scholarships and the opportunities that come with them. Not saying it is right or wrong. Just that that is likely a big part of their thought process.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9397 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:45 am to
Title IX has been cucking revenue producing sports for too long. And, bringing this up is why RJ on YouTube banned me. If male athletes in revenue producing sports are compensated that takes away funds from women's sports. And, I believe that's a big reason for the Pac 12 and Big 10 move.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:55 am to
quote:

We've all been to Alabama - there isn't any competition for fun in the state outside these teenage kids playing ball on Saturdays in the fal


If this is what you think, it's clear you've actually never been to Alabama.
Posted by ATLabama
Member since Jan 2013
1602 posts
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

If this is what you think, it's clear you've actually never been to Alabama.


Well I went to Alabama and my wife’s from Birmingham. So unless we we’re putting a high premium on the Flora-Bama, space camp or the chili cook-off, then, Alabama/Auburn game weekends are the peak of entertainment.
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