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re: BIG 10 decision based on erroneous data
Posted on 8/17/20 at 12:47 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 8/17/20 at 12:47 pm to East Coast Band
yea, they can play at 2 degrees in Jan or Feb. And a good chance of rain, snow, sleet, and blustery winds.
Good luck with that.
Good luck with that.
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Posted on 8/17/20 at 1:11 pm to East Coast Band
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It's sad to rip away kids' livelihoods in the name of politics, but that's just what will happen.
I keep reading this but the same people who chant this are against anything pro-player including adequate compensation for the actual value.
I hope you aren't one of those types.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 1:21 pm to YStar
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I keep reading this but the same people who chant this are against anything pro-player including adequate compensation for the actual value.
Interesting pivot? Have anything to add in regards to the BIG's knee jerk cancellation?
Posted on 8/17/20 at 1:22 pm to IB4bama
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He said there has been so much false information out there and the Alabama Sports Board just jumps all over anything negative.
FIFY
Posted on 8/17/20 at 1:46 pm to VirgilCaine
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Interesting pivot? Have anything to add in regards to the BIG's knee jerk cancellation?
It's their decision if they don't want to take on that kind of liability.
Now care to address my point?
Posted on 8/17/20 at 2:01 pm to YStar
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Now care to address my point?
Start a thread and maybe I'll join.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 2:16 pm to YStar
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Now care to address my point?
I will.
A scholarship to a university where I'd have to pay 10-30K per semester tuition, free room, free meals, free books, free medical care, contacts for post college employment that can't be matched, plus a $5,000 stipend is more than fair compensation.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 3:28 pm to JustGetItRight
No it is not. For one you're literally nobody, you don't get to determine the players value.
Secondly, everyone loves this country because of our capitalist nature and how we let the market determine the value of things, not some socialist system which regulates earnings and growth.
What you're suggesting is socialist bullshite.
If you actually cared about these players you wouldn't want to rob them of capitalizing on their abilities and assets. When they are generating so much, it's braindead to insinuate their value is worth tuition, board, food and a meager stipend.
Especially when other student atheltes are being subsidized by their program and get almost the same "compensation" without generating a profit.
Secondly, everyone loves this country because of our capitalist nature and how we let the market determine the value of things, not some socialist system which regulates earnings and growth.
What you're suggesting is socialist bullshite.
If you actually cared about these players you wouldn't want to rob them of capitalizing on their abilities and assets. When they are generating so much, it's braindead to insinuate their value is worth tuition, board, food and a meager stipend.
Especially when other student atheltes are being subsidized by their program and get almost the same "compensation" without generating a profit.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 4:15 pm to YStar
Allowing athletes to exploit their NIL rights is the best possible compromise. There are so many complications to straight up paying these kids that it's just not feasible.
Alabama brings in a lot of revenue through its athletics (and has a lot of expenses), but you can't just look at the Alabamas of the world. You also have to look at the smaller schools that would be more impacted by any decision to directly pay the students.
You have Title IX concerns that would be implicated if you all of a sudden started paying male (football/basketball) athletes but not female athletes.
You have concerns related to the fact that, even though the schools make a ton of money on sports (primarily football and men's basketball at most schools), that revenue is also used to fund every other sport on campus. That's going to shrink the available pool of money to be distributed.
You have concerns related to the sheer number of athletes each school has. For example, last year Alabama football had 79.5 scholarship players and 99 total players. That's also going to shrink the available pool of money to be distributed.
You have tax related concerns that come along with paying players. For example, the average aid to an Alabama player last year was, by the University's reckoning, worth around $54k. If we make these kids "employees" of the University, then all but about $5.2k of that is automatically imputed to the kids as taxable income that they'll owe federal, state, and FICA taxes on. (As an aside, that would be even more burdensome to players at, say Stanford or Northwestern).
However, that said, there is clearly room to do something to bring these numbers closer together:
But you have to do it while balancing out all of those concerns, which has proven to be very difficult to do.
Alabama brings in a lot of revenue through its athletics (and has a lot of expenses), but you can't just look at the Alabamas of the world. You also have to look at the smaller schools that would be more impacted by any decision to directly pay the students.
You have Title IX concerns that would be implicated if you all of a sudden started paying male (football/basketball) athletes but not female athletes.
You have concerns related to the fact that, even though the schools make a ton of money on sports (primarily football and men's basketball at most schools), that revenue is also used to fund every other sport on campus. That's going to shrink the available pool of money to be distributed.
You have concerns related to the sheer number of athletes each school has. For example, last year Alabama football had 79.5 scholarship players and 99 total players. That's also going to shrink the available pool of money to be distributed.
You have tax related concerns that come along with paying players. For example, the average aid to an Alabama player last year was, by the University's reckoning, worth around $54k. If we make these kids "employees" of the University, then all but about $5.2k of that is automatically imputed to the kids as taxable income that they'll owe federal, state, and FICA taxes on. (As an aside, that would be even more burdensome to players at, say Stanford or Northwestern).
However, that said, there is clearly room to do something to bring these numbers closer together:
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Coaching pay ($31.6 million). Student athletic aid totaled $18.1 million.
But you have to do it while balancing out all of those concerns, which has proven to be very difficult to do.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:43 pm to phil4bama
Kevin Warren releases statement regarding cancelled season (247Sports)
Attorney requests docs behind Big Ten decision to cancel season (247Sports)
Urban Meyer: Big Ten, Pac-12 players should be able to transfer (247Sports)
The Big Ten and PAC-12 screwed up B1Gly.
Attorney requests docs behind Big Ten decision to cancel season (247Sports)
Urban Meyer: Big Ten, Pac-12 players should be able to transfer (247Sports)
The Big Ten and PAC-12 screwed up B1Gly.This post was edited on 8/19/20 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:53 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 8/20/20 at 8:10 am to YStar
It is impossible to call college sports capitalism, when the US government requires the colleges to support womens athletics at the same level as the men. Capitalism would do away with a product that is losing money. Only football and bball make money. All other sports would be abolished under true capitalism. Those football and bball players cannot be paid what they think they are worth if the federal government requires womens sports to be supported equally.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:54 am to TidalSurge1
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Kevin Warren releases statement regarding cancelled season (247Sports)
This will continue to be a B1G wildfire. Nothing new was said, still very general about everyday conditions with COVID. Simply repeating yourself doesn't close the gap nor change the argument that you were not in lockstep with the Universities you claim to represent in athletics. No matter what happens next he won't be able to unring that bell.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 11:10 am to bamameister
He also had to admit that his son will be playing football at Miss St this Fall. Its just strange that they will be playing high school football in Ohio (and professional football), but not college football.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 11:15 am to IB4bama
I find it strange that not one thing is heard from the PAC 12 schools.
Or maybe that's not strange
Or maybe that's not strange
Posted on 8/20/20 at 11:52 am to IB4bama
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He also had to admit that his son will be playing football at Miss St this Fall. Its just strange that they will be playing high school football in Ohio (and professional football), but not college football.
The only thing that would make this a lot more fun is if Ohio State and 5 or 6 of their brethren decide to go rogue and wing it with their own schedule this fall. I would buy a ticket for that.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 2:16 pm to IB4bama
Posted on 8/22/20 at 4:35 pm to IB4bama
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yea, they can play at 2 degrees in Jan or Feb. And a good chance of rain, snow, sleet, and blustery winds.
Good luck with that.
I tweeted something similar to Cecil and he replied that the B1G plans to play indoors in domed stadia where the chances of virus spread is...oh, nevermind. I LOL'ed at that.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 5:00 pm to Panthers4life
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Well.... welll... he admitted he screwed up.
LINK
That's a start, but the big question is if he can or will walk it back and allow any kind of a season. Or at least preparation for one.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 8:13 pm to Panthers4life
Seriously though, how does he not anticipate people looking at his decision. It is college football. Not lacrosse or indoor table tennis. How can he not think people would look at his decision?
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