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TidalSurge1
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Notes, intel from Alabama football scrimmage (AL.com | includes video)



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bamameister
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I don't think there is a scheme that can counter it. You just need a flat out dominant defensive front that is able to shut down the dive play on the RPO without stacking the box so you can force enough obvious passing downs to stall enough drives to win the game.



Given that the sole aim of a HUNH team is to fatigue and confuse the defense the best solution is numbers. Saban's recruiting strategy is his best concept on how to control the advantage the offense has.

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hwyman108
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I think some rules need to be implemented for harsher penalties against the offense.

Let’s start with chop blocks. This should be equal to targeting. Any block level or below the knee should be reviewed. If guilty... ejected. Set out the next game.

We’ve all seen this and there’s probably no greater fear to a DL or LB then to be chopped blocked. Devastating to a career.

Hands to the face. 15yd penalty and a loss of down. These two would help level the playing field a little


Sauron
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I think some rules need to be implemented for harsher penalties against the offense.


Shoot, I'd be happy if they'd just call the penalties that are already on the books. I posted the graphic a week or so ago that showed how rarely Alabama's opponents were called for offensive holding against us over a four-year period (I think 2014-17). We weren't just an outlier; the graph had to be made larger to accommodate our data point, because it was so far outside the rest of the stats.
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1BamaRTR
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Hands to the face. 15yd penalty and a loss of down.

Not if they call them like the NFL did last year. So many times a player gets called hands to the face and their hands were not on the opposing player’s face. It was maybe near the neck area but not on the neck either. You wouldn’t think it would be so hard but it was hard for them to distinguish it in short amount of time and given certain angles.

Either that or it was intentional. Definitely lost the Lions their first game with the Packers with 2 hands to face penalties that definitely weren’t correct.


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phil4bama
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No, the biggest thing that would level the playing field and it's been discussed ad nauseum is to adopt the NFL OL downfield rule. They can go downfield ONE yard on pass plays. Beyond that, it's a penalty. Part two of that is ENFORCE it! Gus and people like him can bitch all they want but the defense is playing with one hand tied behind their back if they can't read run or pass based on blocking technique. A guy blocking you 3 yards (and beyond because it's not called) downfield on a pass play is just unfair.


hwyman108
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Totally agree. I can’t remember, but is that a reviewable play? If not it should be.


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IB4bama
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Jones doesnt take one look, start running to the right, and throw the ball into the stands. He also had the second highest QBR behind the lsu QB, in the games he started.
Last year before the season when Saban said Jones was the number 2 QB behind Tua, "and its not even close", that should have been a clue about what the coaches thought about Jones.


bamameister
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But I don't see anyone stopping super teams from being recruited and accounted for. Alabama is one of a handful of programs in America that can just out talent the opposition. Try leveling that playing field. It's almost gotten comical watching the same suspects in the playoffs these last 6 years.



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DLev45
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No, the biggest thing that would level the playing field and it's been discussed ad nauseum is to adopt the NFL OL downfield rule. They can go downfield ONE yard on pass plays. Beyond that, it's a penalty. Part two of that is ENFORCE it! Gus and people like him can bitch all they want but the defense is playing with one hand tied behind their back if they can't read run or pass based on blocking technique. A guy blocking you 3 yards (and beyond because it's not called) downfield on a pass play is just unfair.


Yep. This is the real answer. The 3-yard rule is absurdly offensive-biased.

There is no way for defenders in the front 7 to diagnose run/pass by reading keys on the OL if the OL is allowed to go 3-yards downfield. The entire RPO concept is playing off the defenders' reads in that time frame.

Personnel issues aside, this is the biggest reason for our drop-off in run defense, IMO. Because all the LBs can do is play the pass until the ball is actually out of the QB's hands. At that point, the OL is already to the 2nd level, and it's a 3-5 yard gain before the LBs are even in the play unless the DL can shake their blocks.

We put up dominant run defenses the last decade by having our DL play a gap scheme to occupy blockers, allowing the playside LB to diagnose his keys to fill the hole and the backside LB to scrape down the line behind him. The RPO has delayed the reads long enough to prevent the LBs from being able to do that before the OL is already on them.
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labamafan
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Let’s start with chop blocks. This should be equal to targeting. Any block level or below the knee should be reviewed. If guilty... ejected. Set out the next game.


That’s not a chop block. That’s a cut block and is legal. A chop block is going to the legs of a player who is engaged with another player.


hwyman108
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Yes I know. 2 OL engaged on 1 DL. I should have been more clear. But my point was should be equal to targeting. The OL that goes low should be called


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narddogg81
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That’s a cut block and is legal
should not be legal if player safety is actually a concern, much more likely to cause a serious injury than lots of other stuff they ban. should not be allowed near LOS at all


Commander Data
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Cut blocks should definitely be outlawed. You can't say player safety is important while allowing 290 pound men to dive at the knees of defensive players. The Arkansas player that put his helmet on Hightower's knee in 08 was executing a legal block. Way past time to correct it.


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Glorious
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Jones doesnt take one look, start running to the right, and throw the ball into the stands.


This. You could argue that Mac is significantly better than what we got out of Jalen in 2017. That roster had Calvin Ridley, Irv Smith, Cam Sims, Robert Foster, Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, and Devonta Smith. Other than Calvin, all of them finished under 15 catches and 270 yards


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UAgrad93
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re: Bama Football Megathread
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should not be legal if player safety is actually a concern, much more likely to cause a serious injury than lots of other stuff they ban. should not be allowed near LOS at all


Yep! It was a 'cut block" that cost Donta Hightower in the '09 season Arky game.


TidalSurge1
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TidalSurge1
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Jaylen Waddle Anxious For Start Of Alabama Football Games (BamaOnLine)



Me too!

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Bear88
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Kinda Surprised there has not even been a mention of Braswell so far
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Cobrasize
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re: Bama Football Megathread
I haven’t heard a thing about Timmy Smith either


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