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Posted on 11/18/20 at 1:37 pm to Sauron
Posted on 11/18/20 at 1:37 pm to Sauron
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and the whole HIPAA regulations thing.
And now we know who doesn't understand HIPAA.
Here's your lesson for the day - HIPPA covers those who provide medical care, bill for services, and transmit that information electronically. If you aren't in that group HIPAA has no impact on you at all.
But, just for giggles let's say it did. It still would have NO impact on that question. You aren't asking WHO, you're asking HOW MANY. HIPAA restricts giving out information about specific patient and their conditions.
Asking the University of Alabama how many players have been quarantined as a result of contact tracing and of those how many tested positive wouldn't violate HIPAA any more than asking a hospital how many people they treated from the plane crash. You aren't asking WHO they treated or WHO caught COVID. It also would not violate any FERPA laws for the same reason.
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:02 pm to JustGetItRight
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Here's your lesson for the day - HIPPA
Try not to be so smug, especially when you don't know the acronym.
I work in a healthcare field, skippy. HIPAA regulations can be broadly interpreted, and the penalties for infractions are significant. Better to be safe than sorry.
While schools and school districts aren't required to follow all HIPAA guidelines, it's open to interpretation whether that applies to state universities. Contrary to what was posted, both HIPAA and FERPA guidelines come into play.
In addition, "business associates" of covered entities (and their subcontractors) must also follow some HIPAA regulations. The National Athletic Trainers' Association (NATA) had conversations with HIPAA officials in 2003 to iron out some of those questions related to college athletes.
Most universities have student-athletes sign blanket authorizations to release injury information at the beginning of a school (or competition) year. Those authorizations must indicate what information can be released, to whom, and for what length of time.
I agree with you that simple counts of infections shouldn't be an issue; however, if an enterprising reporter were to take the count of infected players, bump that up against what he / she saw in practice, and deduce the players who were not participating were infected with COVID-19, an ambulance-chasing lawyer could twist that into a HIPAA violation unless the player specifically gave his permission for that type of information to be released.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:12 pm to Sauron
Looks like Miss St/Georgia and Arkansas/LSU might get postponed.
Georgia/State would have to be moved to 12/12. With Georgia playing Missouri on 19th and State playing Auburn the same day.
The Arkansas/LSU game would really screw things up and at least one SEC game would probably get cancelled. Got to think that the SEC wants divisional games to take place and Florida/LSU gets cancelled.
The only way to make sure all games get played is to have Bama/LSU play this weekend and move Bama/Kentucky to 12/12. That would move the LSU/Arkansas game to 12/19, but I think it's to late for that to happen.
Georgia/State would have to be moved to 12/12. With Georgia playing Missouri on 19th and State playing Auburn the same day.
The Arkansas/LSU game would really screw things up and at least one SEC game would probably get cancelled. Got to think that the SEC wants divisional games to take place and Florida/LSU gets cancelled.
The only way to make sure all games get played is to have Bama/LSU play this weekend and move Bama/Kentucky to 12/12. That would move the LSU/Arkansas game to 12/19, but I think it's to late for that to happen.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:18 pm to remaster916
Better to post that in this thread: Alabama v. LSU and Updated scheduling
Today, the LSU-AR & MS-GA games are still on. Monday was the deadline for rescheduling any games to this coming weekend.
Sam Pittman, Ed Orgeron weigh in on this weekend's matchup (247-AR)
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 8:57 am
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:25 pm to TidalSurge1
Nick Saban talks Kentucky, Mac Jones on SEC teleconference (BOL)
Nick Saban provides update on LaBryan Ray ahead of Kentucky game (BOL)
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 7:22 am
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:33 pm to Sauron
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Try not to be so smug, especially when you don't know the acronym.
I work in a healthcare field, skippy. HIPAA regulations can be broadly interpreted, and the penalties for infractions are significant. Better to be safe than sorry.
That's a typo on my part. I did it so I'll leave it.
I work in the health care field too - been there 20 years. I also worked in the legal field for 17. I tend to get pretty smug when I'm 100% correct and in this case I am 100% correct.
I agree that universities are in a strange place as a potential covered entity but giving aggregate numbers across an entire half a season, which is what we're talking about here, is in no way a violation and would never be construed as such. If there was one single ounce of concern on the part of the schools, every single university wouldn't be announcing the number of people they have in COVID protocol every week. Those, as you say, can pretty easily be tied to missing players and yet every school puts them out.
Really, though the numbers across a week or two are meaningless, but at this point in the season aggregate totals would tell a great deal about the effectiveness and reasonableness of the protocols in place.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:43 pm to TidalSurge1
I think Vandy/Missouri had already been postponed to 12/12, but that game can be pushed back a week.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 3:09 pm to TidalSurge1
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Per Fauci, scientific evidence supports that it's safe to end a college athlete quarantine if the player is asymptomatic and tests negative on days 5, 6 & 7. But apparently the conferences chose to meet state & local quarantine policies for contact tracing.
That’s a good point and I assume the universities don’t want to get crucified by the media for even contemplating having common sense.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 3:38 pm to JustGetItRight
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I agree that universities are in a strange place as a potential covered entity but giving aggregate numbers across an entire half a season, which is what we're talking about here, is in no way a violation and would never be construed as such.
I think in 99.999999% of cases you're completely right ... but the optics and considerations around this pandemic are unique.
Our legal team is hyper-vigilant around HIPAA stuff, and that's been raised to 11 with COVID-19 issues, so I've been inundated with "what ifs" and "this might happens" for 11 months now. It's causing me to see problems where none exist.
Basically, I'm splitting frog hairs here, and should've just left well enough alone.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:12 pm to Sauron
Covid is no more a HIPAA issue than an injury or the flu. They all would fall under HIPAA for an ordinary person, but presumably they have signed waivers to allow coaches to talk about their injuries and illnesses. When coaches say they can't say something about Covid because of HIPAA, it's a transparently BS excuse to avoid giving information. And yes, aggregate numbers like "we have had x number of players test positive this season" would not be HIPAA either way. But please, do go on believing whatever people tell you.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 7:53 am to TidalSurge1
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It's to honor my dad
Posted on 11/19/20 at 8:08 am to Snout Spout
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Covid is no more a HIPAA issue than an injury or the flu. They all would fall under HIPAA for an ordinary person, but presumably they have signed waivers to allow coaches to talk about their injuries and illnesses. When coaches say they can't say something about Covid because of HIPAA, it's a transparently BS excuse to avoid giving information. And yes, aggregate numbers like "we have had x number of players test positive this season" would not be HIPAA either way. But please, do go on believing whatever people tell you.
HIPAA mostly regulates written records, If a doctor has told a coach that it's not from a record, that it's a fact, the coach can tell you what he saw, or go to the trainer and ask questions about a health issue.
A lot of it is coach-speak, and naturally, coach-speak, Saban style. Coach Saban has always lived by the old adage that less is more when giving away company secrets. The thing is, he believes it is an advantage to say less. Depth chart, injuries, COVID, you name it. Regardless if it's real or not, and he could be right, as far as I know.
I think the bigger problem at work is what people think they are somehow entitled to know and like, RIGHT NOW. Like it's a birthright.
I can personally wait it out, but that's kinda my disposition anyway. And if it really gives us an advantage in the long run that the opponents or fans don't know what's going on, more power to coach Saban.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 8:14 am to bamameister
Video, photos from Alabama's third practice of Kentucky week (BOL)
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 8:16 am
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:05 pm to TidalSurge1
So are the reporters asked to keep their mouths shut about players that are missing from practice? I dont see much about that lately.
Interesting that AL.com is the source for JT Daniels starting this week for GA. Its not from any Ga sources.
And, Maryland is a big Covid mess.
Interesting that AL.com is the source for JT Daniels starting this week for GA. Its not from any Ga sources.
And, Maryland is a big Covid mess.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:22 pm to bamameister
Big problem would be betting. Obviously someone found out who’s out for Arkansas this week due to Covid. Spread went from -2.5 Arkansas to -2.5 LSU over night.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:26 pm to IB4bama
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So are the reporters asked to keep their mouths shut about players that are missing from practice? I dont see much about that lately.
We should be able to figure this out due to process of elimination from photos, videos, and player interviews this week right?
Let's get at it!
Posted on 11/19/20 at 12:58 pm to IB4bama
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So are the reporters asked to keep their mouths shut about players that are missing from practice? I dont see much about that lately.
I don't think reporters have any access to UA's football practices this season. UA is providing them with photos and a video of drills instead.
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Interesting that AL.com is the source for JT Daniels starting this week for GA. Its not from any Ga sources.
247Sports also reported it.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/19/20 at 1:19 pm to TidalSurge1
I would guess the moment Dabo told the world that Lawrence wouldn't be playing vs ND due to COVID, the Fighting Irish gave every second of their attention to the backup. I doubt coach Saban would have given the Irish that running start.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 1:28 pm to bamameister
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the Fighting Irish gave every second of their attention to the backup.
And they still gave up 439 yards passing
Posted on 11/19/20 at 5:10 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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