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At what point do we go primitive/basic on defense like we did at points last year?

Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:26 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:26 am
The only times the last 2 seasons that we've looked remotely competent on defense is when we've dumbed down our scheme, stopped matching play for play with pattern matching and all the other complex Saban defensive things (Miss St 2020, Ohio State 2020, Ole Miss 2021).

We have individual fundamental flaws defensively which are their own issue, but we compound them by constantly being out of position, late on coverages, late on reads, etc etc. At what point do we look around and just admit to ourselves this doesn't work in 2021 and/or with this group of guys?

We've done it for specific games and there has been a CLEAR difference in lack of busts. It's become a multi year issue at this point, and it's so bad that it in and of itself allows much less talented offenses opportunities to scheme themselves wide open stuff that they could NEVER get just physically man on man.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 9:28 am
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42104 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:29 am to
2nd half of the Iron Bowl when Bo Nix has gone wild on us and we’re down two scores.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52628 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:43 am to
The biggest frick up on defense was Hellams not covering 85 when he clearly was supposed to. I don't even really know what to make of that. Like how did he not know that he had to cover that guy. He was the only db in that zone, and 85 was the only receiver on that side of the field, no running backs coming out of the backfield, and he just let him run free. I can't imagine that scheme had much to do with that. That kind of blew my mind.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 9:48 am
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
2919 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:50 am to
Should have done it years ago when the offenses changed.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:51 am to
We should always keep the defensive scheme simple -- in every game (like we did vs Ole Miss). When we do it, our defense plays faster with more penetration, QB pressure/TFL, better pass coverage and better tackling.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 6:28 pm
Posted by Ethan89
Member since Dec 2020
906 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:52 am to
CNS reconfigured the whole offense back in 2014 its time do that now with the defense. If UGA can do it so can Alabama
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38363 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:57 am to
That’s one play. The backup QB was like 15/16 at one point. Few of those were contested catches. They knew exactly where to attack, and tight ends and running backs haven’t been covered here in the Saban era.

The same things beat us that always do and it’s a wonder why more teams don’t use the blue print. Throw to tight end. Throw to running back. Throw 50/50 ball down field for either a catch or a free 15 yards. If I were calling 70 plays against Alabama, 45 of them would be one of those 3.

If we’re going to blitz we need to send 7. We can’t get home with 5 or 6 because usually the extra guy is on a “delayed” blitz and he’s just as useful as me watching from my couch.

I said it Saturday night, there’s are quite a few guys on our defense that will play on sundays, and Goldings scheme and playcalling has made them look below average. The self scouting needs to get a lot better on that side of the ball, it should have been pretty obvious how tamu would attack us given their own strengths meshed perfectly with our 10 year weakness. We didn’t even hit the QB Saturday. For me, that was a worse defensive performance that the Ole Miss game last year. At least that was a high tempo, high octane offense. The Aggies have been putrid offensively this season

In the third quarter when we shut them down, it wasn’t really anything we did, they just sort of got away from what was working. They ran a lot of horizontal stuff and made throws outside the hash. Any time they worked the middle or centered on their backs and tight end it was easy for them.

Saying all that, O’Brien shoulders most of the blame for Saturday in my eyes. We know Pete Golding is in over his head, the redzone playcalling saturday night was just inexcusable.

Probably time to ditch the corner kickoff too, since Reichard puts one out of bounds every weekend.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 10:03 am
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52628 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 10:01 am to
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That’s one play. The backup QB was like 15/16 at one point. Few of those were contested catches. They knew exactly where to attack, and tight ends and running backs haven’t been covered here in the Saban era.



yeah but that type of play happened often, specifically with Hellams.


but yeah, I agree with you, especially on the blitzing. That was tough to watch.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13170 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 10:02 am to
True. Tight end hooks, stick routes, drags etc are always open . RB in the flats pick up 7-8 yds every play…. Easy money
Posted by RumHam
Huntsville
Member since Jun 2021
3678 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:47 am to
Couldn’t agree more. That’s obviously a large part of our issues and we need to make it easier to just play fast.
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
Stuck in Transfer Portal
Member since Aug 2011
8507 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:54 am to
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If UGA can do it so can Alabama
We should be beating down recruits’ doors right now selling them on a project to overhaul the defense and make the Alabama front 7 the premiere unit on either side of the ball in college football. I want to see a front 7 like we had in 2015/2016.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11827 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:06 pm to
The play calling was so bad that the players looked confused. There were many times in the game our DL along were others never got set before the snap and it cost us. I saw Harris turning to the DBs and telling them something with his back to the aTm offense when the ball was snapped.

Golding may be a DC savant(Saban's Opinion) but seeing a great scheme in your mind and actually coaching it to a point that translates to the players so they can execute it without issues. Something he has not been able to do. Again maybe great in theory but seems to unrealistic in application.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11655 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 4:13 pm to
It's year 15 and the teams we play understand Nick's defensive scheme as well as Alabama does. Lane knows, Jimbo knows, Dan knows and Gus knew. Just recruiting better players than the others have might not save you against good teams. These teams are attacking Bama where we're not because they know where we will be.
Posted by Canyon16
Muscle Shoals
Member since Nov 2017
3685 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 5:45 pm to
Texas A&M's previous 3 games (Colorado, Arkansas, Mississippi State) they scored a combined 42 points.
They got 41 on our supposed presesason vaunted defense.

We've come back quiet a few times from a loss, still winning a National Championship.
However, that was with Kirby or Pruitt in charge of our defense.
They were 10× better coordinators scheme wise than Golding & had a way of getting the players attention/respect.
Golding quiet simply is a severe liability as our D coordinator.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 5:50 pm to
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Couldn’t agree more. That’s obviously a large part of our issues and we need to make it easier to just play fast.


We just look lost and thinking on every single damn play.
Posted by hnds2th
Valley of the Sun
Member since May 2019
3027 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 6:06 pm to
I thought he said we did that for Ole Miss. I asked during game why we couldn’t do it every week.

I feel the same way, we’re out scheming ourselves.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52628 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 6:10 pm to
quote:

We've come back quiet a few times from a loss, still winning a National Championship.
However, that was with Kirby or Pruitt in charge of our defense.
They were 10× better coordinators scheme wise than Golding & had a way of getting the players attention/respect.


I mean, I'm obviously not going to argue that Golding is in the same league as Kirby and Pruitt, but isn't that what happened last season? We didn't lose, but the defense got embarrassed bad by ole miss, and then stepped it up the rest of the season.

Look, we know that the defense is capable, look no further than two weekends ago, they just have to get it together on a consistent basis, like the d last year was ultimately able to do.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But they are certainly capable IMO. I'm personally holding out hope.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13170 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 6:27 pm to
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feel the same way, we’re out scheming ourselves.


If you want to go down a rabbit hole look up pattern matching defense and there is an old Saban defensive playbook online ( haven’t seen it in years) but it is an eye opener to say the least

I have already mentioned Kool Aid but if coverage doesn’t get better in nickel and dime I would like to see what Banks and Jackson can do as well
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 6:30 pm
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83388 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 6:33 pm to
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The biggest frick up on defense was Hellams not covering 85 when he clearly was supposed to. I don't even really know what to make of that
That was weird.

And he 100% played it to pass him off to someone and looked back to watch the DB make a play(obviously nobody was there).

It looked like he played it perfectly for what he THOUGHT he was supposed to do.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:13 pm to
At least some of the blame needs to be laid at the feet of the GOAT. No, Golding isn’t helping any, but CNS was smart enough to realize when his ideas of offense weren’t going to work anymore so he let Kiffin,Locks, and Sark retool it into a modern machine. It’s time for him to look at the defensive playbook and realize it looks like a copy of the Federal Tax Code: a few thousand pages thick and full of outdated and extraneous bullshite. Maybe he should sit down with Pruitt and Muschamp and retool and modernize his defense.
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