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Posted on 8/14/20 at 7:34 am to mistaken4193
Posted on 8/14/20 at 7:34 am to mistaken4193
If it makes you feel better and safe then you should do it.
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Posted on 8/14/20 at 8:58 am to JustGetItRight
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I am not talking about the same 10 kids in a daycare. Neither of those have a very high risk of spreading corona or anything else. A full school is a different environment. If you can’t see the difference a simple mask can make in a group of 1,000 in a small hall there really isn’t much more that can be said.
Look, I wear a mask. Every time I go out. I do it because I'm at high risk and it offers some protection. But you are WAY overstating their effectiveness. At 95% compliance, they reduce spread about 30%. That's great for slowing the spread when people are visiting stores and offices, but in a crowded school hallway with shouting kids and sketchy compliance, they aren't going to be much help.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:27 am to Evolved Simian
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Temperature checks are not reliable for COVID-19 screening, Dr. Anthony Fauci advised during a Facebook Live with Walter Reed Medical Center. "We have found at the NIH, that it is much, much better to just question people when they come in and save the time, because the temperatures are notoriously inaccurate, many times," he said.
ABC
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Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:33 am to TideSaint
Also Fauci:
Townhall
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But according to Dr. Anthony Fauci, an original member of President Trump's Wuhan Coronavirus Taskforce, voting in person can be done safely.
"What about voting? So many people are concerned. We are in an election year. Some people are going to be heading to the polls in the next few weeks, can people go out and vote in person given there is so much concern about the vote?" ABC News' Deborah Roberts asked Fauci during a recent interview.
"I think if carefully done according to the guidelines, there's new reason I can see that not being the case. For example, when you look at going to a grocery stores now in regions and counties and cities that are doing it correctly, they have x's every six or more feet and it says don't leave this spot until the person in front of you left their spot, and you an do that. If you go and wear a mask, if you observe the physical distancing and don't have a crowded situation, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to do that," Fauci said. "There's no reason we shouldn't be able to vote in person."
Townhall
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:42 am to TideSaint
Only problem is that Fauci changes his mind like the wind changes directions. Tomorrow Fauci could say... stretch a condom over your head because I feel like this is the best way to protect yourself.
But I agree with what he saying. But we all know why the left wants mail in ballots
But I agree with what he saying. But we all know why the left wants mail in ballots
Posted on 8/14/20 at 10:53 am to TideSaint
The temperature check thing is by far the dumbest measure of this whole pandemic.
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Posted on 8/14/20 at 11:06 am to SummerOfGeorge
It's been over 100 degrees here every day for the last week. My forehead is scorching by the time I get from my truck to the front door of my destination. 
Posted on 8/14/20 at 11:22 am to TideSaint
Also no reason we should we should force 78 year old ladies with diabetes and a heart condition to go to out to vote during a pandemic when we're supposedly a first world modern country fully capable of handling almost every other aspect of our business online or by mail/delivery.
No reason except petty politics.
No reason except petty politics.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 11:27 am to wm72
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No reason except petty politics.
Or, you know, mass voter fraud.
I don't have a problem with a woman in your scenario submitting an absentee ballot. I do have a problem with tens of millions of people "voting" by mail when they are perfectly fine going to Wal-Mart, Target, Applebee's, etc.
If you are willing to sacrifice your health on a daily basis for some boneless wings then doing so to vote shouldn't be an issue for you.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 12:01 pm to TideSaint
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mass voter fraud.
100% fear porn.
No evidence whatsoever.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 12:07 pm to TideSaint
Amen to that. We have a system in place for people who can't, for whatever reason, vote in person. Absentee ballots must be requested and there are still rules to follow. To just mail ballots to anyone and everyone for no reason turns America into just another banana republic with fraudulent elections where the ballot box is stuffed with phony votes. Whether you are liberal or conservative, I can't understand why you can't see and understand that argument. We aren't in lockdown, why should we act as if we are when it comes to voting?
Posted on 8/14/20 at 12:22 pm to wm72
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100% fear porn.
No evidence whatsoever.
At my old job, we prosecuted voter fraud cases. Virtually every single one of them involved large scale absentee ballot fraud.
Uniontown, AL - 125% of the town's voting age population voted in the municipal election. Almost half were absentee ballots.
Absentee voter fraud ring in west Alabama and another conviction from the same investigation. I was involved in this one - there were a lot more than 5 counts. She got a sweetheart deal. Her husband was state senator Bobby Singleton. You do the math.
Houston County mayor convicted of absentee ballot fraud. He won by 16 votes.
These are just 3 examples. There are more that aren't hard to find.
Mail in voting is absentee voting on meth. There will, with 100% absolute certainty, be fraud. Will that fraud be enough to swing a national election? I don't know. Can it swing local elections? It already has in Alabama.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 12:30 pm to TideSaint
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"We have found at the NIH, that it is much, much better to just question people when they come in and save the time, because the temperatures are notoriously inaccurate, many times," he said.
Humorous personal anecdote - last week I went to my daughter's middle school orientation. At the door you had to get your temp checked, sign in, write your temp and then circle yes/no to a "have you been exposed to COVID-19" question.
I leaned to my wife, whispered "watch this", and drew a big circle around the yes. The lady's eyes got big, she asked when. I looked at my watch, said "about 4 hours ago" and pointed at the maltese cross on my shirt. Folks scattered like I'd farted in church. I don't think they'd been briefed on what to do if someone circled yes.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 12:32 pm to JustGetItRight
It’s absurd to think there won’t be any noticeable issues. I’m not even just talking about fraud. You’re talking about tens of millions of votes from all across the country having to all be transported in a very amount of time to a different location.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 1:29 pm to TideSaint
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I don't have a problem with a woman in your scenario submitting an absentee ballot. I do have a problem with tens of millions of people "voting" by mail when they are perfectly fine going to Wal-Mart, Target, Applebee's, etc.
What's the difference between "voting by mail" and mailing an absentee ballot?
Posted on 8/14/20 at 1:37 pm to stomp
Are you really that stupid?
You really don't see a problem with mass ballots?
You really don't see a problem with mass ballots?
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 8/14/20 at 2:24 pm to stomp
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What's the difference between "voting by mail" and mailing an absentee ballot?
Nothing really. Absentee generally requires the voter to sign an affidavit for the reason they can't go to the polls on election day. States that already have mail-in voting automatically mail either a ballot application or the actual ballot to all registered voters.
I find it funny all the concerns with voter fraud(some justified) while most of those same people remain silent on the sitting president committing election fraud out in the open. Using the White Press room to attack your political opponent is against the law, and Trump did just that yesterday and will coninue to do it. He's also announced he will accept the republican nomination from the South Lawn of the White House, which if he uses White House employees to conduct is also against the law.
I wish both sides would just be honest about the issue. Democrats generally perform better when more people vote, so they have a vested interest in expanded voter access. Republicans generally do better when less people vote, so they have a vested interest in creating hurdles to vote.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 2:37 pm to phil4bama
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To just mail ballots to anyone and everyone for no reason turns America into just another banana republic with fraudulent elections where the ballot box is stuffed with phony votes.
Several states already mail ballots to every registered voter, and there isn't mass voter fraud in those states. There are sometimes irregularities, but there haven't been any widespread allegations of voter fraud ever proven in those states.
Any voting system is at risk of manipulation and fraud, but that risk is greatly mitigated with strong controls. I think it's Colorado where something like 85% of ballots in the 2016 election were cast by mail.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 3:02 pm to The Spleen
Colorado has 9 electoral votes, same as Alabama. They aren't swinging a presidential election except under very unique circumstances. The risk reward equation for voter fraud there isn't very lucrative. However, places like Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, California, Ohio, Georgia, and Michigan are all heavy electoral states and pretty much all of them are battleground states that could easily be swayed with organized vote fraud. Most of those areas are also notorious for political cabals that influence elections for their candidates and that's being polite. The Deep South is also notorious for it, but there's not enough national political weight for them to be very relevant to the cause.
It's impossible to hold a foolproof election, but national election totally by snail mail is inviting massive fraud by either party. Ballot stuffing, ballots getting lost, delayed, mis-delivered, there's just too many possibilities to list.
It's impossible to hold a foolproof election, but national election totally by snail mail is inviting massive fraud by either party. Ballot stuffing, ballots getting lost, delayed, mis-delivered, there's just too many possibilities to list.
Posted on 8/14/20 at 3:08 pm to The Spleen
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that risk is greatly mitigated with strong controls
That's my concern. When you mail everyone a ballot, how do you legitimately exercise any level of control?
In Alabama, to get an absentee ballot you've got to provide ID just as you would at the in person site. Requests come in piecemeal so election officials at least have the time to do a minimal inspection to ensure all is legit.
It simply isn't possible to exercise any level of control on two or three million ballots (that would be Alabama numbers) arriving over a couple of days' span and still maintain a legitimate secret ballot. There has to be a tie between the voter and the ballot - and if there's a tie between the voter and the ballot then that ballot's not actually secret. At some point in the process there's an opportunity to let the world know that JustGetItRight actually voted Shorty Price for president.
Edited to add - way back in the early 2000s, there was a case where a candidate that won was legit buying votes with beer. A person would get an absentee ballot, fill it out, show him they voted for him, and he'd give them a six pack.
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 3:12 pm
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