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Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:46 am to hwyman108
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You’re comparing what happened to four brave Americans that got cut loose and was left to die to a virus that was unleashed on the world by a known enemy of the United States and every other free society.
No, I'm comparing the respective White House responses to both, and the reasons for those responses to protect the president's re-election chances. The Obama administration did eventually come clean at least, but the initial spin they put on it was dishonest, and deserving of outrage. The Trump administration will never admit their failures, and will continue to blatantly lie, but the same folks outraged over Benghazi are deafeningly silent on it while the dead bodies continue to pile up.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:51 am to The Spleen
Maybe you should protest (riot) to make yourself feel better.
Going to be 4 more years pal.
Going to be 4 more years pal.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 9:51 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:01 am to Crimsonians
About the responses I expected. Can't counter what the column lays out, so attack and provoke the messenger.
Not that I expected you guys to actually read the column. That would require critical thinking.
Not that I expected you guys to actually read the column. That would require critical thinking.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:11 am to The Spleen
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Can't counter what the column
Honestly what is the point?
You and a few others on this board constantly bring up politics here. You know they’re not going to change their mind and you’re not going to change yours. Strangers aren’t going to change their strong held political beliefs because other strangers said so.
Now, it’s going to happen to this post too, but just it’s saying pointless and dumb. Just post links and explain it. Beyond that is wasting your time.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:17 am to Funky Tide 8
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Weren't the original "projections" something like 2 million dead in the US?
The early projections showed a range of potential deaths. I don't remember the top number, but I'll concede it was your 2 million number. That number was with no mitigation efforts and was worst case scenario.
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And have't the vast majority of the 160,000 come from extremely blue states??
I don't know, but it does it matter? They're still American lives, and the President still represents every American citizen.
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but to act like Trump has killed 160,000 that died from a fricking pandemic is absolutely ridiculous.
Nowhere in the column does the writer suggest Trump is responsible for every single death here. Anyone with a brain can admit deaths were going to happen even with our best efforts. The point of the column is Trump's actions, or lack of actions, have made the death count much higher than it would have been with a stronger response.
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what does Benghazi have to do with a pandemic?
See my other response. The comparison was to the WH responses in an election year.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:23 am to The Spleen
I really don’t think you understand what the difference is between the two you’re comparing.
You act as if Trump really don’t care about ppl dying from this virus. It was in this country before anyone had a clue about it getting spread rapidly. He shut travel down, he was attacked by the democrats for it. Pelosi in the streets of Chinatown saying there’s nothing to worry about. They was more worried about impeachment then trying to band together and do the right thing.
Obama and Hillary did absolutely nothing to try and rescue, Ambassador Chris Stevens, Information Officer Sean Smith, and two CIA operatives, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, both former Navy SEALs.
In fact there was other operatives on alert in the area for support and rescue and was told to stand down. But I’ll tell you this... It broke my heart and every brethren like me when the facts came out. But I also know in my heart that those brave men fought and gave all they could muster till their last breath.
And that’s the fricking difference between the two. Yut
You act as if Trump really don’t care about ppl dying from this virus. It was in this country before anyone had a clue about it getting spread rapidly. He shut travel down, he was attacked by the democrats for it. Pelosi in the streets of Chinatown saying there’s nothing to worry about. They was more worried about impeachment then trying to band together and do the right thing.
Obama and Hillary did absolutely nothing to try and rescue, Ambassador Chris Stevens, Information Officer Sean Smith, and two CIA operatives, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, both former Navy SEALs.
In fact there was other operatives on alert in the area for support and rescue and was told to stand down. But I’ll tell you this... It broke my heart and every brethren like me when the facts came out. But I also know in my heart that those brave men fought and gave all they could muster till their last breath.
And that’s the fricking difference between the two. Yut
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:29 am to The Spleen
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The early projections showed a range of potential deaths. I don't remember the top number, but I'll concede it was your 2 million number. That number was with no mitigation efforts and was worst case scenario.
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Nowhere in the column does the writer suggest Trump is responsible for every single death here. Anyone with a brain can admit deaths were going to happen even with our best efforts. The point of the column is Trump's actions, or lack of actions, have made the death count much higher than it would have been with a stronger response.
So with no mitigation efforts the projection was 2 million dead, but the 160,000 is "much higher than it would have been with a stronger response...." How can anyone possibly pass that last part off as a fact with any honesty??
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I don't know, but it does it matter? They're still American lives, and the President still represents every American citizen.
I think that you and I both know that it matters. Trump left the response largely up to the states, which in my opinion is almost always the right thing to do.
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See my other response. The comparison was to the WH responses in an election year.
But they are two incomparable things.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 10:30 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:31 am to hwyman108
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You act as if Trump really don’t care about ppl dying from this virus.
Well his response to it last week was "it is what it is." Seems like a pretty callous attitude towards it.
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It was in this country before anyone had a clue about it getting spread rapidly
All this shows me is you didn't read the column, nor the embedded links supporting its claims. His health and national security advisors were sounding the alarm to him in early January.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:46 am to Funky Tide 8
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So with no mitigation efforts the projection was 2 million dead, but the 160,000 is "much higher than it would have been with a stronger response...." How can anyone possibly pass that last part off as a fact with any honesty??
Because we can look at almost every other developed nation's response that was stronger than ours was and see that this virus hasn't been as damaging as it has been here.
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I think that you and I both know that it matters.
No, I have no idea why it matters. Unless your defending Trump's inaction because it more heavily impacted states that he lost in 2016. That's an appalling admission if so.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:01 am to The Spleen
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No, I have no idea why it matters. Unless your defending Trump's inaction because it more heavily impacted states that he lost in 2016. That's an appalling admission if so.
As in NY for example? I believe Cuomo thanked The President for all his help. Even said that Trump told him whatever you need you got it, and delivered.
If you hate the man that’s fine, it’s your freedom to do so. But you need to realize who the true enemy that caused all these deaths from the start. China has a lot of blood on their hands.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:33 am to hwyman108
30,000 students. .83% positive. Shut it down. We are all dying.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:39 am to hwyman108
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China has a lot of blood on their hands.
Of course they do. There is nobody denying that, and in fact Trump's advisors were telling him in January and February that China was fudging their numbers, but he didn't believe them.
But whatever China did or didn't do should have little bearing on our response to it.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:40 am to Crimsonians
All of this madness because she lost. Let that sink in.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:50 am to Funky Tide 8
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I am not a republican, and I did not vote for Trump-I do not like the guy - but to act like Trump has killed 160,000 that died from a fricking pandemic is absolutely ridiculous.
He didn't directly kill them, but he directly allowed the environment that let the virus go undetected by U.S. persons. When you're the world's greatest country, you have a duty to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic...whether hidden or unhidden.
I beg you to read this article in full.
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Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters. The Trump administration in February chastised China for censoring information about the outbreak and for keeping U.S. experts from entering the country to assist.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:54 am to The Spleen
I apologize to the rest of the board for taking the thread off the rails for what it was intended for. Enjoy your day
And spleen you can continue on with your TDS problem. Good luck with that. MAGA KAG
And spleen you can continue on with your TDS problem. Good luck with that. MAGA KAG
Posted on 8/13/20 at 11:55 am to Funky Tide 8
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Trump left the response largely up to the states, which in my opinion is almost always the right thing to do.
Imagine if after 9/11, intelligence efforts were left up to individual states.
The title of "Commander-in-Chief" is there for a reason.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:03 pm to stomp
Good grief people. Get off it. Your political views are yours and nobody eles gives a crap.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:16 pm to stomp
Apparently, he should have done like Sweden, and just let it run its course, and we could be over with it by now.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:24 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Honestly what is the point?
Well, my hope was to spurn honest debate on the column, though deep down I knew few would actually read it and digest it.
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You know they’re not going to change their mind and you’re not going to change yours.
Not true. I've had my mind changed many times on various boards, on various subjects, when I've realized my opinion was based on faulty or incomplete facts. I'm open to having my mind changed on things, including Trump not being an utter failure in his handling of the Covid-19 response. Nobody seems willing to read the column I linked and dispute it though.
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You and a few others on this board constantly bring up politics here.
Constantly is a stretch. I stopped posting political stuff in this thread when the mods asked everyone to. Since it's now open to political talk, I've thrown a few posts in here of a political nature. What's curious to me is the complaints of political talk only come up when posts critical of Trump appear. Actually it's not at all curious.
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