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Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:32 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:32 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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The coronavirus cases on lower Broadway may have been so low that the mayor’s office and the metro health department decided to keep it secret.
Emails between the mayor’s senior advisor and the health department reveal only a partial picture. But what they reveal is disturbing.
The discussion involves the low number of coronavirus cases emerging from bars and restaurants and how to handle that.and most disturbingly how to keep it from the public.
On June 30th, contact tracing was giving a small view of coronavirus clusters. Construction and nursing homes causing problems more than a thousand cases traced to each category, but bars and restaurants reported just 22 cases.
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Ain’t this some shite
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Posted on 9/17/20 at 7:05 am to Cobrasize
Send them to prison.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:10 am to Bobby OG Johnson
I completely agree. Elected officials who engage in behavior intended to mislead the public by downplaying the severity of the situation with COVID 100% belong in prison. Hopefully for a very long time.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 9:52 am to Robot Santa
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I completely agree. Elected officials who engage in behavior intended to mislead the public by downplaying the severity of the situation with COVID 100% belong in prison. Hopefully for a very long time.
Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout...
Am I doing it right? Asking for a friend.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/17/20 at 10:59 am to TideSaint
A poster stated that these people should be sent to prison, presumably for their role in a public health cover up since that is the gist of the article. A general statement agreeing with the proposition that elected officials who consciously mislead their constituents on serious matters of public health should indeed be sent to prison is not whataboutism, but I'm not surprised that you are either too stupid or too dishonest (por que no los dos?) to acknowledge the difference.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/17/20 at 11:49 am to Robot Santa
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A general statement agreeing with the proposition that elected officials who consciously mislead their constituents on serious matters of public health should indeed be sent to prison is not whataboutism
Sure it is.
I mean, you hit the definition of whataboutism on the fricking head with your ignorant statement:
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the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
You TDS suffering morons can't help yourselves when it comes to bashing Trump.
We all know who you were talking about. Your disdain for the President is well documented here.
Show us on the doll where he touched you:
ETA: And if you're that fricking stupid to compare falsifying results to keep people in a lockdown with someone making statements to avoid mass hysteria and panic, then I don't know how you function on a day to day basis. One of these situations occurred at the beginning of the pandemic. The other was this fricking summer so get that stupid bullshite out of here.
I guess you could be talking about this individual downplaying the virus, but I highly, highly fricking doubt it:
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 9/17/20 at 12:34 pm to TideSaint
Posted on 9/17/20 at 12:41 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
Bill De Blasio has now shut down the schools to Follow The Science (TM) despite 63 reported new covid cases yesterday in a county of 1.6 million; the Nashville government hid data on lack of covid transmission in restaurants and bars to justify lockdown. Lockdown is political.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 1:59 pm to TideSaint
So a general statement agreeing that elected officials who actively mislead the public should be punished is now a counteraccusation? I mean surely it isn't a different issue. It's the same issue. So who did I accuse, and of what?
Oh that's right, it's because elected officials consciously misleading the public is only a problem to you when the narrative they fabricate is counter to your political views. When they mislead the public and create a narrative that supports your views its justified. It's not the lying that's the problem. It's what the lie is about. What an absolute shite human being you are.
Oh that's right, it's because elected officials consciously misleading the public is only a problem to you when the narrative they fabricate is counter to your political views. When they mislead the public and create a narrative that supports your views its justified. It's not the lying that's the problem. It's what the lie is about. What an absolute shite human being you are.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 2:36 pm to Robot Santa
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So a general statement agreeing that elected officials who actively mislead the public should be punished is now a counteraccusation? I mean surely it isn't a different issue. It's the same issue. So who did I accuse, and of what?
Your wife may be dumb enough for fall for that shite, but it don't fly here buddy.
You know who you were accusing of it. I know it. Everyone who read your post knows it.
So, please, stop acting like a fricking child.
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Oh that's right, it's because elected officials consciously misleading the public is only a problem to you when the narrative they fabricate is counter to your political views.
Have we not been in a lock down since March? What narrative did the President push when he shut down travel from China?
Those assholes in the Nashville mayor's office didn't want anyone to know they were purposefully continuing the lock down. Why is that? Were they attempting to head off a panic amongst their constituents? frick no. The sad thing is you know it you Goddamn coward.
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It's not the lying that's the problem. It's what the lie is about.
You're absolutely right. You're just too fricking stupid to realize one was blatantly done to keep people INSIDE whereas another was to keep people from panicking.
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What an absolute shite human being you are.
Eat a bag of dicks, kid. I've done more for my country and community than you've ever dreamed of. I hope you figure out your hour long commute so your kid can limp along through kindergarten this year. Lord knows he's gonna need it growing up in a house with your arse.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 9/17/20 at 4:57 pm to Robot Santa
quote:Except that's not what you said. What you said was:
So a general statement agreeing that elected officials who actively mislead the public should be punished is now a counteraccusation? I mean surely it isn't a different issue. It's the same issue. So who did I accuse, and of what?
quote:The only problem is your quote does not apply to the post you were replying to involving the Nashville mayor. He didn't "downplay the severity of the situation" to avoid public panic; it's been well-publicized that's what Trump did. Nashville's mayor did the literally the opposite, hiding data from the public to overstate the problem in order to keep his unilaterally-imposed business restrictions in place.
I completely agree. Elected officials who engage in behavior intended to mislead the public by downplaying the severity of the situation with COVID 100% belong in prison.
So, you responded to a post about Nashville's mayor with a general statement that applied to Trump and not him. That's textbook whataboutism.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:31 pm to TideCPA
Gov called out the Nashville Mayor.
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Gov. Bill Lee
@GovBillLee
Nashville is the slowest recovering economy of all metro regions across the country. Our economy must move forward, and that means lifting overly burdensome business restrictions in a responsible way.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 2:01 am to Bobby OG Johnson
This thread has completely gone to shite. Again.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 12:10 pm to mre
In other news CA Gov passed two bills today. One grants workermans comp to any employee who gets covid while at work requiring them to miss work and the second one requires a business to tell their employees if possibly exposed to someone else onsite who has it.
Both seem pretty reasonable
Both seem pretty reasonable
Posted on 9/18/20 at 12:39 pm to TideWarrior
How does one prove they caught covid at work? Even if it's a case where a coworker tested positive, unless that employee is a hermit, it's impossible to determine that they got if from the coworker rather than from,say, the grocery store.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:13 pm to mre
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Police officers, firefighters and health care workers — including janitors who are in contact with COVID-19 patients — are eligible if they get infected while on the job.
All other workers are eligible only if their workplaces experience an outbreak. For companies with between five and 100 employees, the law defines an outbreak as four or more infected workers who work at the same location within a two-week period.
For companies with more than 100 employees, outbreaks are defined as at least 4% of workers working in the same location being infected during a two week period. The rules for first responders and health care workers are permanent. The rules for everyone else expire on Jan. 1, 2023.
Workers don’t have to prove they were infected on the job to get benefits because the law assumes they got it while working. Instead, employers must prove that their workers did not get the virus while on the job to deny coverage.
For first responders I see no issue. The threshold at 4% could be raised in my opinion In many places around the country we have seen outbreak/clusters from larger employers. We saw this with all the meat processing plants earlier in the summer and late spring.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:35 pm to TideWarrior
Interesting. So anyone employed at a small business with fewer than 25 employees automatically qualifies if they test positive.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 4:11 pm to mre
Posted on 9/18/20 at 6:56 pm to mre
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Interesting. So anyone employed at a small business with fewer than 25 employees automatically qualifies if they test positive.
All other workers are eligible only if their workplaces experience an outbreak. For companies with between five and 100 employees, the law defines an outbreak as four or more infected workers who work at the same location within a two-week period.
Still have to have 4
Posted on 9/18/20 at 7:02 pm to TideWarrior
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For first responders I see no issue.
As one, I do.
For starters, this is the job we signed up to do and this is insulting political pandering. They didn't give a rat's behind that the paramedic trying to save their life was probably making less before COVID than the starting pay for a Hobby Lobby cashier. Don't start acting like you suddenly care now. Pay the job for what it does, not because you suddenly think it will make you look better.
Secondly, realistically speaking there are LOTS of people more exposed than we are. The RN in a hospital COVID ward spends his/her entire workday day exposed. We spend at most 30 minutes or so at a time.
Lastly, there's no way to know where we (or anyone else for that matter) caught it. When you're dealing with something like this, presumptive cause simply doesn't work. Did I catch it from the 3 covids I transported last week, someone at the 2 restaurants I visited, the 4 grocery stores, or a symptom-free family member or friend.
It's just a bad idea.
Edited to continue ranting: Heck, we come off the truck masked. If it is a known positive, dispatch flags it in the run notes we get on our phone. When we get there, we stop short of the patient and ask about COVID symptoms. We've got goggles, shields, N95s, even level B suits if we want to use them. We get every chance in the world to preemptively protect from exposure.
80 year old MeeMaw sitting on her scooter with her single ply cotton mask pulled down below her nose as she greets people coming into WalMart gets none of that. She gets exposed to it all day long but is only assumed to be work related if more people at the same store get it at the same time but if I get it they automatically assume it was work related? Really?
I was wrong. It isn't just a bad idea. It's shameful and I'm embarrassed as a first responder.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 8:05 pm
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