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re: After 87 days of being saved I’m still blown away everyday by his love.....

Posted on 2/17/20 at 6:17 pm to
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 6:17 pm to
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And when that happens, and it happens over and over, a lot of professed Christians haven't been "feeling" the love.



Well I prayed to Jesus once in my life and he saved me. Like I said I’m not here to argue, you did not save me and you can’t take it away.

But after my short experience in my walk with Jesus I can assure you a lot of professed Christians don’t have a personal relationship with our Father and that’s one of the saddest things going on, but don’t let what other people are doing stop you from reaching out to him and seeking his love.

I’ll give you my number and we can talk tonight if you want. I do love you bro and I’m here for you and I’ll prove it.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 6:36 pm to
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Well I prayed to Jesus once in my life and he saved me. Like I said I’m not here to argue, you did not save me and you can’t take it away.

But after my short experience in my walk with Jesus I can assure you a lot of professed Christians don’t have a personal relationship with our Father and that’s one of the saddest things going on, but don’t let what other people are doing stop you from reaching out to him and seeking his love.

I’ll give you my number and we can talk tonight if you want. I do love you bro and I’m here for you and I’ll prove it.




Well, get back with me when your religion asked you to step away from Bible principles. And they shall, they can't help themselves.

That warm and fuzzy feeling won't be the answer.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:28 pm to
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That warm and fuzzy feeling won't be the answer.



There is little about living a true life of Jesus that warm or fuzzy. It's hard, sacrificial and difficult. Or it should be.

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Well, get back with me when your religion asked you to step away from Bible principles.


There is no religion but biblical principles. Any group attempting to do otherwise is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And the world (and especially this country) are full of them.



To wrap my participation in this thread up, I'm warry of most openly emotional Christian testimonies for a lot of the reasons you stated. The bedrock to a life of Christ is hard work and dedication, not generic "love" and "happiness". However, Luke's story of taking a biblical study and applying it to a difficult situation is the bedrock of living the life we are taught to live. And I appreciate that.

Now I will retire from this thread and get back to arguing about Pete Golding.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 7:29 pm
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:55 pm to
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There is little about living a true life of Jesus that warm or fuzzy. It's hard, sacrificial and difficult. Or it should be.



Amen. But you’ll never know a greater love. Yall have a good night guys.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 6:15 am to
Hey, Luke. Please keep dropping by and letting us know how you’re doing. And know that I am praying for you, brother.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 6:16 am
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:25 am to
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There is no religion but biblical principles. Any group attempting to do otherwise is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And the world (and especially this country) are full of them.




Nonsense, there are about 10,000 different religions in the world. Each one promoting their own doctrines, each one promoting their own brand of salvation. Are you a Baptist? There are at least 200 denominations of Baptist in these here parts. Freewill, Missionary, Trinity, Hard Shell, Primitive and so forth. Hard to find 2 Baptist preachers who believe and teach the same way about God. Over a billion Catholics pray to Mary. Protestants go a completely different route and pray through or to Jesus. The result is that professed Christians can't even agree on who to pray to. Surely, the Bible can't be that vague.
Nor God that wishy-washy. This stuff is resembling Pete Golding in our "Nickle Rabbit."
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:32 am to
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Nonsense, there are about 10,000 different religions in the world. Each one promoting their own doctrines, each one promoting their own brand of salvation. Are you a Baptist? There are at least 200 denominations of Baptist in these here parts. Freewill, Missionary, Trinity, Hard Shell, Primitive and so forth. Hard to find 2 Baptist preachers who believe and teach the same way about God. Over a billion Catholics pray to Mary. Protestants go a completely different route and pray through or to Jesus. The result is that professed Christians can't even agree on who to pray to. Surely, the Bible can't be that vague.


I'm not going to get into denominational beliefs and teachings, because I don't think it's something I really want to blow up on a sports message board, but there are about 15 degrees of seperation in the things you are listing there.

Some contain clear as day man made additions to biblical texts. The argument for whether that is allowable based on interpretation of scripture is another one all together, but certain creeds, traditions and authoritative hierarchy in many of the "religions" you mentioned are 100% built by man, according to man's determination without any instruction or example from the New Testament. Certain things are just plainly not included, implied or commanded in the New Testament, and the argument for whether they should exist or not is something that those who participate, create and uphold will have to explain and defend themselves. I would not be so bold as to explain it for them.

Some of those differences are true difference in interpretation of literal New Testament scripture - good faith differences in how different people read and interpret various scriptures and what they tell us are right, wrong and allowed and disallowed.

I was not saying that different religions literally don't "exist" but biblical principles, clearly they do (many religions aren't even based on the bible or the God of Israel). I was saying that there should NOT be any "religion" but biblical principles if you openly confess to following Jesus Christ. All others (as noted) are sheep in wolves clothing. I thought it was pretty clear what I was implying.




Anyway, interesting chats here as usual, hope Luke continues to study and grow as do the rest of us
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 8:41 am
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:32 am to
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:51 am to
it doesn't matter what name or term you use. God, Tao, Buddha nature, Yahweh...it's all the same. Some religions pre-date Christianity but, of course, that doesn't change one jot nor tittle the reality of God, in whatever name or term you may call it or think of it.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:56 am to
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Nonsense, there are about 10,000 different religions in the world. Each one promoting their own doctrines, each one promoting their own brand of salvation. Are you a Baptist? There are at least 200 denominations of Baptist in these here parts. Freewill, Missionary, Trinity, Hard Shell, Primitive and so forth. Hard to find 2 Baptist preachers who believe and teach the same way about God. Over a billion Catholics pray to Mary. Protestants go a completely different route and pray through or to Jesus. The result is that professed Christians can't even agree on who to pray to. Surely, the Bible can't be that vague.
Nor God that wishy-washy. This stuff is resembling Pete Golding in our "Nickle Rabbit."





Yep. This is one of my biggest issues with organized religion, especially under the Christianity umbrella. Most of them claim their interpretation of scripture is the true interpretation.

I do think you can have spirituality without ascribing your beliefs to one organized religion. I also think organized religion has done a tremendous amount of damage in this country and this world.

And I don't say any of that to begrudge or demean anyone's spiritual journey. I say that to demean the leaders of many of the faiths that use the "Word" as a cudgel to control people.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:03 am to
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Some contain clear as day man made additions to biblical texts. The argument for whether that is allowable based on interpretation of scripture is another one all together, but certain creeds, traditions and authoritative hierarchy in many of the "religions" you mentioned are 100% built by man, according to man's determination without any instruction or example from the New Testament. Certain things are just plainly not included, implied or commanded in the New Testament, and the argument for whether they should exist or not is something that those who participate, create and uphold will have to explain and defend themselves. I would not be so bold as to explain it for them.



You stadle that fence any harder you will be seeing a proctologist soon. But thanks for repeating my points, I guess.

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I was not saying that different religions literally don't "exist" but biblical principles, clearly they do (many religions aren't even based on the bible or the God of Israel). I was saying that there should NOT be any "religion" but biblical principles if you openly confess to following Jesus Christ. All others (as noted) are sheep in wolves clothing. I thought it was pretty clear what I was implying.




A Bible principle is not a theory. It's a fundamental truth. As a truth, it couldn't by its nature be subject to time or circumstances. As a truth, or fact, or reality, how could there possibly be any exception to the rule? It would apply equally to one or all people without prejudice.

So as a truth, how would a Bible principle be possible among groups of people teaching so many "fundamentally" different and contrasting things about God?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:13 am to
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You stadle that fence any harder you will be seeing a proctologist soon. But thanks for repeating my points, I guess.



If by repeating your points you mean agreeing that there are large sectors of "Christianity" that have created their own rules and regulations solely out of their own, man-made desire......yes I absolutely agree. And personally I think it's pretty clearly wrong, but that's not a deep dive I think is productive on a message board.

My personal beliefs are certainly the opposite of fence-sitting, koombaya let's all pat eachother on the back and feel good about ourselves because we're "Christians" and we check 3 boxes each week or "love everybody".

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A Bible principle is not a theory. It's a fundamental truth. As a truth, it couldn't by its nature be subject to time or circumstances. As a truth, or fact, or reality, how could there possibly be any exception to the rule? It would apply equally to one or all people without prejudice.


Because the Bible is not just a book of black and white do and don't. It contains some of them, and they are black and white, but it also contains a whole lot of principal based instruction which encourages the reader to think and study and work on applying things to their lives everyday. And there are times when people have disagreements on how best to follow those principles. Discussing and having engagement on those disagreements by going back to the scriptural texts is the kind of thing that helps you grow and learn and deepen you knowledge, IMHO.

It's also one the reasons why the nonsensical believe that "everybody is good just love everyone" is such a folly. If every belief system is the same what is the point of studying the texts and discussing their application?

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So as a truth, how would a Bible principle be possible among groups of people teaching so many "fundamentally" different and contrasting things about God?



Again, you are lumping this grand scale of Christianity in together as one mass of people who identify with eachother. I don't identify with certain teachers of "Jesus" anymore than I do with teachers of Allah or Baal.



Anyway, that's all I got. Message boards generally only encourage "win the debate" mentalities and are therefore awful medians for discussing this sort of topic.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 9:18 am
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:31 am to
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I also think organized religion has done a tremendous amount of damage in this country and this world.



And it's the ultimate danger of not getting religion out of the "first-grade reader" level of comprehension.

We live in a country where the vast majority still profess to be Christian. Yet our statistics on crime, violence, murder, rape, teenage pregnancies, aids, are higher in this country than a lot of places that don't profess to be Christian. If you were a Catholic during the middle ages and were caught reading the Bible in your own language you were put to death and burned at the stake. Today, Catholics read about their history dealing with the Spanish Inquisitions and Holy Inquisitions. They read every day about their priest committing incredible acts of homosexual pedophilia and these folks scratch their heads wondering how such stuff can happen in their Churches and then get dressed and take off for Mass.

The second World War was fought among so-called Christian nations to the tune of 55 million folks being killed. Protestants and Catholics, in every country in the US and throughout Europe. All praying to the same God and reading the same Bible going to same-named churches. And each one more than willing to take the life of the other over a political idea.


"The mind is truly a terrible thing to waste."


Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:40 am to
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And it's the ultimate danger of not getting religion out of the "first-grade reader" level of comprehension.


I 100% agree with you - and the biggest issue with Christianity in America is that the majority of Americans abide by some sort of vague cultural version of Christianity that doesn't require actual study, action, belief or hard choices.

It's a crutch for cultural acceptance and then used for power over others.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 9:41 am
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22383 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:52 am to
It's all sorcery.

People think of sorcery being like Harry Potter, but it's really just politicians.

For example, in magic type movies, they'll talk about certain items or symbols that somehow give the person power.

But in the real sorcery, those symbols are things you see every single day, and the power comes from those who follow those symbols. Flag pins, crosses and many other symbols are all displayed to get people to follow and those who carry those symbols take the power.

A spell is thought to be some sequence of weird words that result in something happening. Real spells that actually work are things told to the people, and then the people give those people the power. Most of the time they are spoken with hollow words, rather than specifics. Catch phrases like "Hope" and many other things(both sides of politics are the same).

Christianity is the anti-Christ religion. Jesus never established the religion, he was killed for what he did. He says that which follows him is not the same, and what follows him is Saul/Paul who is the one who establishes Christianity.

Not to mention all the false idols, paganism that was added to things and a history that shows exactly what happens under the influence of the sorcery.



Posted by Tide and Seek
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:03 am to
WTH did I just read?
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:19 am to
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Over a billion Catholics pray to Mary.
not to start an entire other debate, but this is an incorrect representation of Catholicism, as I know it. Growing up Catholic in rural Alabama when/where I did was about second only to be a black Jew in terms of the prejudice and speculation I was subjected to from protestant friends parents (mostly closed minded southern Baptist and Church of Christ... no offense, just my anecdotal experience; not judging all, or any for that matter)

I went 6 years of Catholic school only to find out what and who I was really worshipping at my first slumber party in middle school. I was just another dirty statue and Mary worshiper, who knew? My parents really got me good.

That said, today, I am not religious by nature. I believe in a higher power, purpose on earth, and an afterlife. So, maybe that makes me spiritual. Not sure, don't care. I also believe that higher power comes to people in way that they best need; be it through Jesus, the Father, and/or the Holy Spirit, any God of the sons of Abraham, or a celestial body, eggplant, etc. What is important is that people feel that sense of contentment and simply try to be better people while here.

That said, back to the point, Catholics (or at least any teaching that I recall) do not worship Mary or other Saints. They do believe that these Holy entities are in heaven and capable of hearing their requests. In that sense, it is more accurate to say they are praying for support in their needs and requests to God (the entire Holy Trinity version). It has always been explained to me as akin to intercession with hope that Mary or chosen saint prays with you to God. Similar to prayer circles or requests on earth... not wholly different. In any case, that is all wanted to offer for context on that. Take it or leave it. I am unwed to any of it in terms of further debate. Just offering perspective.

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biblical principles

Good luck locking that one down. The bible as the unquestionable "word of God" has always struck me as odd. Since the Council of Nicaea (some 300 years AFTER the death of Christ on Earth), the construction of the text, its interpretations, concessions for both power and politics have been a point of contention. Not to mention its control and likely alterations in a often corrupt Papal dominated society for several 100 years after. It is absolutely open to debate, and the text as written today are hardly "universal" truths that are clear and understood in a similar manner by all. Hence the how many ever denominations of Christianity already mentioned.

That said, congrats again to any and all who find a faith and inspiration that drives them toward a better life. Share it all you want, as you may find another who needs help. But, be patient and respectful of those that may already have something going on in that department. I don't think God created billions of Asians to keep them from an afterlife due to cultural divisions and geography shaping their beliefs.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:49 am to
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not to start an entire other debate, but this is an incorrect representation of Catholicism, as I know it. Growing up Catholic in rural Alabama when/where I did was about second only to be a black Jew in terms of the prejudice and speculation I was subjected to from protestant friends parents (mostly closed minded southern Baptist and Church of Christ... no offense, just my anecdotal experience; not judging all, or any for that matter)

I went 6 years of Catholic school only to find out what and who I was really worshipping at my first slumber party in middle school. I was just another dirty statue and Mary worshiper, who knew? My parents really got me good.


Not sure I follow what you are specifically disagreeing with? The Holy/Spanish Inquisitions? Mainstream history. Priest pedophilia? Mainstream media. Praying to Mary? Whether you find that denotes a form of worship or not, the ritual that Catholics pray to Mary and believe her to be the Mother of God in veneration, FACTOID.

I certainly get what your Church catechisms have to say on the subject. I have relatives that are Catholic as well. What I haven't read is the scriptural verification that Mary gets that honor between God and man in prayer. What anyone else wants or believes at that point is futile.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21660 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:08 am to
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Pray to him tonight if you’re going through something you don’t think you can handle anymore and he is always listening


What a swell guy.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
774 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 7:56 pm to
What does this have to do with a sports board? Nothing

Why would you bring it here? What Luke has done is make what he believes, an active part of his life. Something important to him that he wanted to share with other people that he spends time with as he lives his life.

But why here? Well here is where he can engage a group of people who may choose to read what he shared. It may impact some or one of those people. The specific impact is not his to be concerned with. The sharing is what he was called to do, Your receptiveness to his words is between you and God.

Will it make a difference? It certainly will make a difference to and for him because he is being open to do what he believes he is supposed to do. He planted seeds, The seed may grow or it may lie dormant until something else changes or someone else helps that seed to take root at a later time.

If you do not like what Luke has shared, that is your choice. You also have to choice to read it or ignore it. Luke no longer had the choice to simply ignore what he felt led to do. He invited you to see and experience what he has been given. He passed no judgement, he placed no demand. He was simply faithful to share his story. The story of his personal relationship and why it is important to him.

Thank you for sharing Luke!
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