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re: About the new playoff
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:00 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:00 am to pvilleguru
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Needs to be a minimum of 8 teams.
Why?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:10 am to RiverCityTider
My only caveat to this would be that the conf champ needs to be ranked in the top 25 or whatever. I don't want to see a 6-6 Nebraska who barely won their crappy division, and then get lucky and beat OSU in the conf championship game, make the playoff.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:11 am to PCRammer
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I don't want to see a 6-6 Nebraska who barely won their crappy division, and then get lucky and beat OSU in the conf championship game, make the playoff.
Get rid of conference divisions as well.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:17 am to pvilleguru
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Get rid of conference divisions as well.
So let's get rid of annual interconference rivalry games to appease the participation trophy crowd?
What an idiotic idea.
Let's see, would I rather Alabama continue to play Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M, Ole Miss and Mississippi State every year or would I rather make it easier for teams like Oregon and Oklahoma State to make the playoff?
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:27 am to TideSaint
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So let's get rid of annual interconference rivalry games to appease the participation trophy crowd?
Where did I say that?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:29 am to pvilleguru
So you want to get rid of divisions, but not the division games?
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:33 am to pvilleguru
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Where did I say that?
It's necessarily implied. If you eliminate divisions in a 14 team conference you aren't going to be able to play any one opponent on an annual basis and maintain any sort of scheduling equity. The Big 12's arrangement only works because they can play a round robin schedule.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:34 am to TideSaint
quote:Still have to play 8-10 conference games a year. If you want to stagger it a bit a let each team play their closest opponents every year, fine. We have a similar system for basketball. Just get have one table for the conference. Either let the overall winner be the conference champ or take the top 2 teams in the overall standings for the CCG. You'll avoid the situation of a 3-5 or 3-6 team winning the conference just by playing in a shitty division.
So you want to get rid of divisions, but not the division games?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:36 am to Robot Santa
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The Big 12's arrangement only works because they can play a round robin schedule.
I'm also in favor of getting rid of a few teams and doing the same thing.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:44 am to pvilleguru
This would be a perfect opportunity for the SEC to implement the pod system, which they've openly stated they've reviewed and discussed.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:45 am to pvilleguru
Like who? I don't know if there's a mechanism for removing expansion teams, but charter members can only leave voluntarily. So assuming expansion members can be kicked out you'd be talking about at least 3 of Arkansas, USCe, aTm, and Mizzou. A 10 game conference schedule is doable, but anything more than that basically eliminates OOC games.
For the record I fully support getting rid of Mizzou and Vandy. They bring absolutely nothing to the table.
For the record I fully support getting rid of Mizzou and Vandy. They bring absolutely nothing to the table.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 9:50 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:49 am to Robot Santa
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I don't know if there's a mechanism for removing expansion teams
I know it would be tricky, and don't have any idea what would need to be done.
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Like who?
For purely personal reasons and opinions, any 3 or 4 of Ole Miss, MSU, Missouri, Texas A&M, Arkansas, and USC. Maybe Vandy, but I like the Nashville road trip and academic boost.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 9:50 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
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This would be a perfect opportunity for the SEC to implement the pod system, which they've openly stated they've reviewed and discussed.
Yep.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:24 am to RiverCityTider
Advocates of an 8-team CFP w/automatic bids for P5 conference champs and a G5 push false narratives that it'll improve CFB and fan interest. But their very flawed CFP model not only makes it likely that some of the best FBS teams will be excluded from the CFP, it'll also reduce CFB's #1 appeal -- what CFB needs more of -- competitive regular season games that matter.
How to expand CFP opportunities and get more competitive & appealing regular season games:
FBS CFP - top 6 teams per committee rankings: No auto-bids. Rnd-1: #6@#3, #5@#4, #1/#2 bye. Rnd-2: R1 winners vs #1/#2. Final 1st Sat in Jan.
A Top-6 CFP allows all 5 P5 conf champs & a G5 to get in and has key advantages over an 8-team with 6 auto-bids. Auto-bids for P5 conf-champs discourage scheduling good out-of-conf teams. The top-6 model with round-1 byes for #1 & #2 and home-fields for #3 & #4 encourages it -- in order to achieve higher seeding. Also, #8 at #1 and #7 at #2 games would probably be routs. Worst of all, 6 of 8 as auto-bids would result in undeserving multi-loss conf champs getting in over 1-loss non-champs with better resumés.
FBS scheduling criteria - to qualify for the CFP:
• P5 must schedule 9 in-conf, 1 other P5, 0 FCS.
• G5 must schedule 8 in-conf, 3 to 4 P5s, 0 FCS.
• 12 games in Sep-Nov; CCGs 1st Fri-Sat in Dec.
Consistent schedule grids for all conferences (with 1 bye occurring only after game 6 or 7) would simplify in- and out-of-conf scheduling.
Bama's out-of-conf & cross-div rotations:
7 homes & 5 aways; 9th SEC replaces FCS;
6 SEC-West games in 2nd half of season.
'22: vs G5, vs P5, vs G5; at SC, vs UK, at TN
'23: vs G5, at P5, vs G5; vs VB, at Ga, vs TN
'24: vs G5, vs P5, vs G5; at MO, vs UF, at TN
'25: vs G5, at P5, vs G5; vs SC, at UK, vs TN
'26: vs G5, vs P5, vs G5; at VB, vs Ga, at TN
'27: vs G5, at P5, vs G5; vs MO, at UF, vs TN
CFP expansion to 6 teams, with the criteria that G5s must schedule 3-4 P5s to qualify, will give G5s a viable means to achieve a top-6 ranking. Since P5s can & will schedule a couple of G5s, good G5s like Memphis, ULL or CCU aspiring to reach the top-6 can find 3-4 good P5s seeking a quality G5 opponent to strengthen their resumé. Teams without CFP expectations don't have to schedule out-of-conf P5s; instead they can aim for bowl eligibility.
There are good reasons smart people chose a Top-4 CFP model. The Top-6 CFP model above supports those same good reasons even better. It inherently encourages teams to enhance their resumés by scheduling good out-of-conf teams. And it enables all 5 P5 conf champs and a G5 conf champ to earn a top-6 ranking.
A top-6 CFP with benefits/incentives for higher seedings and scheduling criteria to qualify for it will produce schedules with more competitive games that will improve clarity of the true top 6. The regular season will become a better "de facto playoff" filled with more appealing games that matter. TV ratings and attendance should improve significantly.
How to expand CFP opportunities and get more competitive & appealing regular season games:
FBS CFP - top 6 teams per committee rankings: No auto-bids. Rnd-1: #6@#3, #5@#4, #1/#2 bye. Rnd-2: R1 winners vs #1/#2. Final 1st Sat in Jan.
A Top-6 CFP allows all 5 P5 conf champs & a G5 to get in and has key advantages over an 8-team with 6 auto-bids. Auto-bids for P5 conf-champs discourage scheduling good out-of-conf teams. The top-6 model with round-1 byes for #1 & #2 and home-fields for #3 & #4 encourages it -- in order to achieve higher seeding. Also, #8 at #1 and #7 at #2 games would probably be routs. Worst of all, 6 of 8 as auto-bids would result in undeserving multi-loss conf champs getting in over 1-loss non-champs with better resumés.
FBS scheduling criteria - to qualify for the CFP:
• P5 must schedule 9 in-conf, 1 other P5, 0 FCS.
• G5 must schedule 8 in-conf, 3 to 4 P5s, 0 FCS.
• 12 games in Sep-Nov; CCGs 1st Fri-Sat in Dec.
Consistent schedule grids for all conferences (with 1 bye occurring only after game 6 or 7) would simplify in- and out-of-conf scheduling.
Bama's out-of-conf & cross-div rotations:
7 homes & 5 aways; 9th SEC replaces FCS;
6 SEC-West games in 2nd half of season.
'22: vs G5, vs P5, vs G5; at SC, vs UK, at TN
'23: vs G5, at P5, vs G5; vs VB, at Ga, vs TN
'24: vs G5, vs P5, vs G5; at MO, vs UF, at TN
'25: vs G5, at P5, vs G5; vs SC, at UK, vs TN
'26: vs G5, vs P5, vs G5; at VB, vs Ga, at TN
'27: vs G5, at P5, vs G5; vs MO, at UF, vs TN
CFP expansion to 6 teams, with the criteria that G5s must schedule 3-4 P5s to qualify, will give G5s a viable means to achieve a top-6 ranking. Since P5s can & will schedule a couple of G5s, good G5s like Memphis, ULL or CCU aspiring to reach the top-6 can find 3-4 good P5s seeking a quality G5 opponent to strengthen their resumé. Teams without CFP expectations don't have to schedule out-of-conf P5s; instead they can aim for bowl eligibility.
There are good reasons smart people chose a Top-4 CFP model. The Top-6 CFP model above supports those same good reasons even better. It inherently encourages teams to enhance their resumés by scheduling good out-of-conf teams. And it enables all 5 P5 conf champs and a G5 conf champ to earn a top-6 ranking.
A top-6 CFP with benefits/incentives for higher seedings and scheduling criteria to qualify for it will produce schedules with more competitive games that will improve clarity of the true top 6. The regular season will become a better "de facto playoff" filled with more appealing games that matter. TV ratings and attendance should improve significantly.
This post was edited on 4/30/21 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/29/21 at 11:26 am to RiverCityTider
I am against expansion more so because it will never be about getting the best teams in. It will be about TV money and P5 conferences guaranteed a spot and the same for at least one G5.
Come with a better ranking system then those people we have now in a room with bias. Maybe go back to using the BCS ranking model to determine the top 8 or whatever teams.
Shorten the regular season by a game or 2 since you will need more games in the expansion.
The CCG should only add weight to the ranking not be an automatic qualifier. A loss would not eliminate a top ranked team and allow another team to slide into a playoff spot with the win.
Home field advantage for the top seeds until the NC game. This would make the season and every game count. I love UA but would hate to travel to OSU in December with snow coming down. Huge advantage for the home teams. Also why make cities like Miami, Atlanta, etc. rich. Let the local towns that support the university year round be the benefactor of the money from the playoffs.Not to mention the opportunity for fans to travel to venues for the first time.
The bowls, sorry to say, need to be a thing of the past. They no longer have much value and the majority seem to not make money anymore.
Come with a better ranking system then those people we have now in a room with bias. Maybe go back to using the BCS ranking model to determine the top 8 or whatever teams.
Shorten the regular season by a game or 2 since you will need more games in the expansion.
The CCG should only add weight to the ranking not be an automatic qualifier. A loss would not eliminate a top ranked team and allow another team to slide into a playoff spot with the win.
Home field advantage for the top seeds until the NC game. This would make the season and every game count. I love UA but would hate to travel to OSU in December with snow coming down. Huge advantage for the home teams. Also why make cities like Miami, Atlanta, etc. rich. Let the local towns that support the university year round be the benefactor of the money from the playoffs.Not to mention the opportunity for fans to travel to venues for the first time.
The bowls, sorry to say, need to be a thing of the past. They no longer have much value and the majority seem to not make money anymore.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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This would be a perfect opportunity for the SEC to implement the pod system, which they've openly stated they've reviewed and discussed.
I don’t like the pod system. It’s too convoluted, and in a given year, you could still see one terrible division and one good one.
I prefer 5 rotating + 3 permanent setup similar to basketball although the basketball permanents are laughably half-assed. Every team would get to play all opponents home and away over 4 years and keep 3 rivalries as annual opponents.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:30 pm to TideWarrior
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Home field advantage for the top seeds until the NC game. This would make the season and every game count. I love UA but would hate to travel to OSU in December with snow coming down. Huge advantage for the home teams. Also why make cities like Miami, Atlanta, etc. rich. Let the local towns that support the university year round be the benefactor of the money from the playoffs.Not to mention the opportunity for fans to travel to venues for the first time.
If they add a single more neutral site round, I will honestly check out on attending any postseason games. The amount of money college towns lose playing so many damn neutral site games, which almost always have a worse atmosphere than campus games, is disgusting.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:44 pm to TomRollTideRitter
What if we just turned the entire season into a playoff? Like, you play your schedule and if you lose, your team is basically almost eliminated, unless the other teams ahead of you lose too. Then if you lose again, you're definitely out unless something crazy happens. You would play everyone in your division of the conference and a mostly rotating group of teams from the other division (except rivals - you play them every year). You could have some interesting out of conference matchups too, usually early in the season. You might also play a couple of teams that are from conferences no one ever heard of, normally you would win those games by a lot and give your younger players some playing time in a game so they could get better; but if you lost it would go down in history and you would be eliminated from the playoffs.
I dunno, I'm kind of crazy though.
I dunno, I'm kind of crazy though.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:45 pm to RiverCityTider
6 teams and it should NEVER get bigger than that.
5 conference Champs + 1 at-Large.
Also have some requirements a P5 champ has to meet to get an auto bid. That way it prevents a 7-5 team from pulling an upset and making the playoff. If they don’t meet requirements then that spot becomes an extra At-Large Bid
5 conference Champs + 1 at-Large.
Also have some requirements a P5 champ has to meet to get an auto bid. That way it prevents a 7-5 team from pulling an upset and making the playoff. If they don’t meet requirements then that spot becomes an extra At-Large Bid
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/29/21 at 2:54 pm to mistaken4193
That’s always been my gripe with champs only view .... an upset can happen by an undeserving team in a down division
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