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re: 2021 Atlanta Braves are your World Series Champions True Team Effort
Posted on 10/18/21 at 3:29 am to UhOhOreo
Posted on 10/18/21 at 3:29 am to UhOhOreo
I agree about not bringing Soler back but we can get Rosario and Joc back for about $10M each on 1 year deals which is doable
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Posted on 10/18/21 at 6:52 am to mistaken4193
I still can't believe last night happened. Not only was it more late game magic from our lineup, but it was a strategic disaster for Los Doyers if Urias is going to be limited in game 4 or pushed back to a game 5 that isn't even guaranteed to happen yet.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:25 am to Robot Santa
My head hasn't hurt from yelling in a stadium as badly as it did last night since the 2005 Florida game.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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My head hasn't hurt from yelling in a stadium as badly as it did last night since the 2005 Florida game.
You witnessed some incredibly special moments the last 2 days for sure.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:52 am to PowHound
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Stole one tonight
Posted on 10/18/21 at 4:53 pm to mistaken4193
Rosario will sign a multi year deal. Joc I think we can get back, but Rosario is definitely gone. He's a starting outfielder for a lot of teams but we just don't have the room theoretically.
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Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:46 pm to UhOhOreo
This may turn into a destiny team season for the Braves, but next year should be a legit World Series or bust season.
If next year is our best shot at a title then this is no time to go cheap in the offseason. We're not winning a title with 2/3 of the outfield being rookies that cant hit MLB pitching yet. So I"m gonna have to disagree on pache and waters being the plan going into our best chance of a title in 25 years.
The Braves need a leadoff hitter. Acuna CAN NOT be allowed to lead MLB in leadoff homeruns again with nobody on base. That is stupid.
Rosario value could be down due to time missed. He's only 30, and I dont think he will command some huge contract.
There are a lot of older big names out there:
Blackmon, McCuthen, Fowler, jackie bradley jr, Marte, Schwarber, Dickerson, etc. they are older, and they are going to demand more money.
I actually think the braves could work reasonable deals with Rosario, Joc, and Duvall - or at least Rosario and Joc. Be nice to platoon Joc with Duvall.
They're already a part of the team, and all three kinda fit the Braves style of signing good players, but not gonna break the bank. Maybe they would be flexible understanding it's a world series run year for the team ?
If next year is our best shot at a title then this is no time to go cheap in the offseason. We're not winning a title with 2/3 of the outfield being rookies that cant hit MLB pitching yet. So I"m gonna have to disagree on pache and waters being the plan going into our best chance of a title in 25 years.
The Braves need a leadoff hitter. Acuna CAN NOT be allowed to lead MLB in leadoff homeruns again with nobody on base. That is stupid.
Rosario value could be down due to time missed. He's only 30, and I dont think he will command some huge contract.
There are a lot of older big names out there:
Blackmon, McCuthen, Fowler, jackie bradley jr, Marte, Schwarber, Dickerson, etc. they are older, and they are going to demand more money.
I actually think the braves could work reasonable deals with Rosario, Joc, and Duvall - or at least Rosario and Joc. Be nice to platoon Joc with Duvall.
They're already a part of the team, and all three kinda fit the Braves style of signing good players, but not gonna break the bank. Maybe they would be flexible understanding it's a world series run year for the team ?
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:48 pm to UhOhOreo
Ozuna is an awful defender, and I have a better arm than he does so... he's the DH unless somebody needs some rest
Posted on 10/18/21 at 8:58 pm to PowHound
Rosario would be a great leadoff hitter IMO. He has shown through his career he is a consistent .260-.270 hitter, has great speed, and will make contact.
Would LOVE to bring him back with Joc to pair with Acuna and Ozuna
Would LOVE to bring him back with Joc to pair with Acuna and Ozuna
Posted on 10/18/21 at 9:10 pm to mistaken4193
I agree it wouldn't hurt my feelings any for him to bat leadoff next year. He's a professional hitter, makes good contact, and seems to have a good grasp of the strike zone. He's actually faster than I thought so the ability to swipe a few bags is a plus. We just need a seasoned major leaguer to set the tone at the top for this team, and be on base for some of Acuna HR's batting second.
I think Freeman is the biggest hurdle to having this lineup obviously, but it should be doable for a team this close to a title
Rosario
Acuna
Freeman
Riley
Ozuna
Albies
Joc/Duvall
Swanson
I think Freeman is the biggest hurdle to having this lineup obviously, but it should be doable for a team this close to a title
Rosario
Acuna
Freeman
Riley
Ozuna
Albies
Joc/Duvall
Swanson
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:19 am to PowHound
But then what do you do about Darnaud? We don’t need Ozuna to main DH because we already have a good portion of it covered by Darnaud’s off days. Ozuna can play the field when Darnaud DH’s. Otherwise we’re paying more for Ozuna or Darnaud to play 50% of the time they are now.
Also Rosario’s only a .309 career OBP guy. Not a great lead off hitter whatsoever and it takes AB’s away from Acuna. Acuna’s past two years are averaging .400, that’s an absurd difference in value. Our first five bats (Acuna, Ozzie, Freddie, Riley, Ozuna) are already elite and then we have Dansby sitting outside of that. If you’re playing Pache CF he has to bat, so you have one OF spot somewhere in an 7-8-9 hole, which is where we’d plug Drew Waters/insert someone here.
I’d rather burn the money on bullpen or another solid starter (if Soroka is still out). The only reason these guys really have spots right now is Pache is still maturing and Acuna/Ozuna are out. I’d get having an extra platoon/bench bat in Joc but there is absolutely no shot we take all three.
Also Rosario’s only a .309 career OBP guy. Not a great lead off hitter whatsoever and it takes AB’s away from Acuna. Acuna’s past two years are averaging .400, that’s an absurd difference in value. Our first five bats (Acuna, Ozzie, Freddie, Riley, Ozuna) are already elite and then we have Dansby sitting outside of that. If you’re playing Pache CF he has to bat, so you have one OF spot somewhere in an 7-8-9 hole, which is where we’d plug Drew Waters/insert someone here.
I’d rather burn the money on bullpen or another solid starter (if Soroka is still out). The only reason these guys really have spots right now is Pache is still maturing and Acuna/Ozuna are out. I’d get having an extra platoon/bench bat in Joc but there is absolutely no shot we take all three.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 12:26 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 3:13 am to UhOhOreo
We just spitballing ideas, none of us know.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:07 am to mistaken4193
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Ozuna
So has he rehabbed his image I guess to the point that any MLB would sign him? Haven't been keeping up with him so I have no clue.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:58 am to UhOhOreo
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But then what do you do about Darnaud?
When Travis is not playing he becomes your best RH bat off the bench, but he's not such a good bat that he becomes the DH when he doesn't play. I believe Ozuna is your permanent DH due to diminishing returns if he's in the field relative to WAR.
In a perfect world Pache learns to hit. With him in center field that will probably save enough runs to level out his WAR, but if he can play center and bat leadoff then we have a real solution to our problem. He used to steal bases in the minors; I have no idea now whats going on with his development on the bases.
I'd prefer someone to be on base for some of Acuna leadoff HR's, but it doesn't break my heart for him to leadoff. If the team doesn't resign Freeman then you have no choice but to slide Acuna to the 2 hole- analytics clearly show the added value of the 2 hole vs 1 relative to run producing opportunities etc.
Acuna
Freeman
Riley
Albies (to break up the effectiveness of LH relief LH batter specialist)
Ozuna
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I’d rather burn the money on bullpen
All these starting pitchers that have not been able to provide any consistency at some point have to move to the bullpen. I truly believe if Touissant only had to focus on getting three outs he'd be dominant. If that big left handed kid (Kyle Muller ?) only had to get three outs he be dominant etc. Then you really start creating flexibility with where you spend money, and I truly believe we have a dominant closer in our organization if the Braves would just make a move to place one of these starters in that role.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:22 am to TiderNAL
Re: Ozuna
I’m assuming if he’s cleared, the Braves use him? If we release him, we still owe him, and then another franchise will absolutely take a chance on him and pay the minimum. I don’t really want him back… but I’d rather he produce for us than us essentially pay him to produce for someone else.
I’m assuming if he’s cleared, the Braves use him? If we release him, we still owe him, and then another franchise will absolutely take a chance on him and pay the minimum. I don’t really want him back… but I’d rather he produce for us than us essentially pay him to produce for someone else.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:50 am to PowHound
Jackson, matz, ynoa, muller, Toussaint, minter, strider etc. could potentially give braves best bullpen over night
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:25 pm to eric4UA08
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assuming if he’s cleared, the Braves use him?
Oh yeah, we stuck with his arse. My question is who pays him while he handles his legal troubles ? Braves insurance company, or players union insurance ? I have no idea
Edit* and assuming someone's insurance is paying for it wouldn't the money saved this year provide more flexibility next year ?
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:24 pm to PowHound
aren't his legal troubles over? The Braves pay him or release him I'm pretty sure.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:38 pm to McGregor
No his case is still ongoing. He agreed about a month ago to enter a diversion program that could help result in the dismissal of his domestic violence charges in three to six months provided he adheres to conditions of the negotiated settlement and completes program requirements.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:43 pm to PowHound
gotcha, thanks for clearing it up 
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