re: UA Basketball Recruiting

Coach cheated to get them investigated and the the school cheats during their compliance/punishment period. So basically paying lip service and thumbing their nose to NCAA rules and regulations. Will be interesting to see if NCAA actually takes offense to this behavior or just buys into whatever excuse Awbarn comes up with.
My bet is with the latter.

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the school cheats during their compliance/punishment period.

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You seem to misunderstand, this was not a punishment period but a self imposed recruiting moratorium.

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Will be interesting to see if NCAA actually takes offense

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So the NCAA should be offended over something that in no way they controlled or were involved by?

That's next level snowflake status.

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thumbing their nose to NCAA rules and regulations

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Auburn is one of the only schools to suspend players and go through the official reinstatement process in addition to firing coach / going through a more thorough investigation process.


This isn't like Zona / LSU who have straight up stonewalled the NCAA.

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Coach cheated

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Auburn was accused of breaking rules, not of cheating. Cheating would imply Auburn gained a competitive advantage. Auburn did something stupider, which is break a rule without even benefiting from it.


Reality is Auburn had a compliance breakdown and should be punished for it. That said, that punishment should punish the responsible parties and aimed at improving future compliance

Hopefully we can get him to sign.

I think we will

"You seem to misunderstand, this was not a punishment period but a self imposed recruiting moratorium."

?You seem to misunderstand, or you're just spinning....this self imposed recruiting moratorium was to try to appease the future punishers.

"So the NCAA should be offended over something that in no way they controlled or were involved by? "

Yes, because it was meant to appease them when punishment time comes around.

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Auburn was accused of breaking rules, not of cheating. Cheating would imply Auburn gained a competitive advantage"

You easily could gain a competitive advantage from this. All Persons had to do was tell future recruits what a sweet deal he had worked for the older players and that he had the new recruits lined up for the same deal.

Take your AU spin somewhere else.

Nope. We don’t even know if he’s filed for the waiver yet. I pray they have

I'm not bashing Gene, he usually brings good info...but not this time. If I were Auburn, I'd be scared shitless about this situation. You have a program with a long history of basketball coaches having significant troubles with the NCAA. In my lifetime, I remember Sonny Smith, Tommy Joe Eagles, Cliff Ellis, and I believe Jeff Lebo too, all having run-ins with compliance. That's every coach since 1978 except for Tony Barbee. Suffice it to say Auburn basketball has been a regular visitor to NCAA probation.

Enter Bruce Pearl, already having a show-cause and an NCAA incident on the resume' for LYING to the NCAA about a barbecue. There's probably more to the story than just that but this is all they could prove with the information they got, so they hit back hard. How else do you explain the rather harsh penalty for an incident that most people describe as rather minor? So just a few years later, a Pearl assistant has another infraction, and Auburn fires him and eventually tells everyone via Bruce's own words that they self-imposed penalties for that. Only he LIED about this too!

Now I don't know about you, but I work in an industry that is heavily regulated and examined regularly. If my inspectors caught me lying for the SECOND time about a rule or regulation I had broken and done it knowingly, they would hit me with the harshest penalties they could muster. People in positions like that don't like to have their charges thumb their nose at them. It PISSES them off! So sweaty Bruce ought to be perspiring just a bit heavier knowing that he may very well have invoked the wrath of the NCAA on his career.

Gene Stallings got pissed off at an NCAA investigator and threw him out of his office during the Langham investigation because he didn't like the line of questioning. Gene didn't really do anything wrong, he just took exception to the manner in which he was being questioned and so he kicked the guy out. How'd that work out for Alabama? Bruce just did a similar thing. He'd better hope the NCAA is too busy with bigger fish to fry than Bruce and Auburn or I predict this won't end well.

I think if they do anything to the barn it will be directed at Pearl. They have tipped their hand already with NC State that they are going to hold the head coach accountable. No more hiding behind "I didnt know about it". If Pearl administered self imposed recruiting penalties/restrictions and then monkeyed around his own self imposed restrictions, that might just piss them off even more. If he had just kept his mouth shut at SEC media days, this might not have even come out.