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re: NON-TROLL Question: Is the Vol offense a "gimmick" offense?

Posted on 8/29/23 at 10:57 am to
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25806 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 10:57 am to
Our starting offensive line last season was a 5 star left tackle, low 4 star LG, high 4 star C, high 4 star RG, and low 4 star RT. Our 6th man was a 3 star (RIP#77) who was virtually a mid game platoon

We were talented enough to run any offensive blocking scheme at OL with high execution (inside zone, outside zone, counter-power, screen game).

That isn't common. And we did it with 1 five star.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
16168 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:04 am to
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You really believe that?


It barks at random children and elderly people on Tuesdays, of course it believes that drivel.
Posted by Kraven Moorehed
Franklin
Member since Dec 2015
2325 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:11 am to
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The reason why Georgia blew out Tennessee is because of reason #3. Georgia was able to win with its defensive line. Georgia was able to consistently get pressure with 3 and 4 man fronts without the need to bring safety and linebacker blitz. Because of this, Georgia didn't have to respect the run and was able to double cover Tennessee's recievers. This effectively kills their offense because they are forced to make multiple underneath contested throws with zero run support.


Getting consistent pressure with 3 or 4 guys is going to kill any offense.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25806 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:13 am to
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Getting consistent pressure with 3 or 4 guys is going to kill any offense.


Except we ran the same nickel blitz 5 times in a row and hit home 5 times in a row.

We could do whatever we wanted against Tennessee.
Maybe it is lucky that your OC is gone because he looked lost.
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
Member since Oct 2019
1857 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:14 am to
Don't they have an insanely high run between the tackles percentage?

Seems like they're exploiting space and matchups to take either deep shots, easy completions, or advantageous run game situations.

UT just spaces the WRs out a bit differently it's no more a gimmick then any other spread offense.

Not everyone has 750 5 star lineman to run that UGA is doing.

I don't know why all these Bama fans are worrying about the quick snap maybe get a non moron DC that can line them up on time
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14393 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:18 am to
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I don't know why all these Bama fans are worrying about the quick snap maybe get a non moron DC that can line them up on time


We ran the HUNH spread. And we did just get rid of our moron DC. It was all on the World Wide Web.
Posted by BigScoreboard
Member since May 2021
945 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:32 am to
Meaningless wordplay. It's an offense. Ask those Bama DBs who wound up on the ground watching Hyatt score if it's a gimmick.
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
5479 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:35 am to
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Meaningless wordplay. It's an offense. Ask those Bama DBs who wound up on the ground watching Hyatt score if it's a gimmick.


Too wide open. Those TD’s don’t count.

/s
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25806 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:36 am to
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Not everyone has 750 5 star lineman to run that UGA is doing.


We were nickel blitzing a 3 star DB over and over.

When our #1 draft pick was out for the season the week before, Chaz Chambliss (3 star) stepped up with 4 tackles (1 for a loss).

We have loads of talent. But we coach the hell out of the entire team. Next man up.
Posted by Tvilletiger
PVB
Member since Oct 2015
5041 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:38 am to
Not a gimmick. They use talent well and get the ball to the playmakers. It may not work in the NFL but it is perfect for college and what they can recruit.
Curious if anything will change based on the qb position. Feel like they will be a little more conservative at least to start the season.
Posted by gamecockman12
Columbia, SC
Member since Aug 2012
6002 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:41 am to
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See South Carolina vs UT last year and what your QB being off looks like


To be fair the Vol offense wasn't that bad against SC last year. Put up 38 points with 507 total yards. Hooker was 25-42 for 247 yards and 3 TDs before injury. The lost that game because of their defensive ineptitude. Nothing else. Honestly it felt like their offense could score on every possession. It just happened to be our night that night.
Posted by Enzos Tiny Pito
Member since Oct 2019
1857 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:44 am to
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We ran the HUNH spread. And we did just get rid of our moron DC. It was all on the World Wide Web


Why is the first page full of bama fans whining about offensive speed then. Makes you sound scared
Posted by Loganville Vols
Loganville Georgia
Member since Feb 2021
869 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:45 am to
Last year Tennessee ran the ball 539 times and threw the ball 421 times.
Most people act like it’s just a throwing off fence which it is not.
Why they call it a gimmick offenses because they try to do it fast.
And it worked great for Tennessee because our talent level is under man compared to a lot of teams.
Oh, but now he’s recruiting at a high-level. It’s going to make it a lot tougher on these other teams.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
19210 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:46 am to
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Our starting offensive line last season was a 5 star left tackle, low 4 star LG, high 4 star C, high 4 star RG, and low 4 star RT. Our 6th man was a 3 star (RIP#77) who was virtually a mid game platoon


Interesting...Tennessee's offensive line last season was:
3-Star LT, 3-Star LG, 4-Star C, 3-Star RG, 5-Star RT

It was mentioned earlier how Georgia could bring in 2 Tight ends...Georgia's were 4-Star Bowers, 4-Star Washington...Tennessee had 3-star Fant as their TE option, and not much behind him (3-star Warren).

quote:

That isn't common. And we did it with 1 five star.


You did it with:
1 5-star
6 4-star (including 2-TE option)


Tennessee ran their offense with:
1 5-star
1 4-star
4 3-star (including single TE formation)

There is definitely a talent gap...and it gets bigger when you go to the 2-deep.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19828 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:47 am to
Did I say you did? I don’t think I said you did.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
5198 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:49 am to
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Did I say you did? I don’t think I said you did.

Dude! You replied TO ME
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25806 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:53 am to
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There is definitely a talent gap...and it gets bigger when you go to the 2-deep.


Of course there is a talent gap. And it is even bigger this season.

The point is that our OL in 2022 was able to run any scheme. The only thing we didn't try was Mike Leach's super wide splits.

Will we be as multiple in 2023? Who knows.
We trade a 5 star LT for a 5 star RT.
We trade a low 4 star RT (3 year starter) for a high 4 star LT (rsfr).
We return LG, C, and RG.
This post was edited on 8/29/23 at 11:54 am
Posted by Hurricane2020
Member since Apr 2020
2473 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:59 am to
That's correct. But Tennessee's offensive scheme and athletes aren't built to play that type of game. The scheme Tenn plays was masking their lack of elite physicality at the line of scrimmage, Georgia had the athletes to expose that.
Posted by stopitnow1
Florida
Member since Mar 2013
1281 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 12:03 pm to
This is the best explanation. It doesn't work against elite defensive lines. That is why TN will fall short against top tier teams and never win a NC with this offense.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
19828 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 12:06 pm to
VOLS won the West last year with this offense
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