re: Who should Georgia hire after they fire Kirby Smart?

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Saban's 1st year records -

Michigan State 6 - 5 - 1
LSU 8 - 4
Bama 7 - 6

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I'm not sure why everybody keeps bringing Nick Saban's first year records, but lets take a look at Nick Saban in his first years at a school.

You forgot to mention Toledo

Toledo: 9-2
Now...the year immediately before Saban took over the other schools you DID mention?
Michigan State: 0-11 (took them to 6-5-1)
LSU: 3-8 (Took them to 8-4)
Alabama: 6-7 (Took them to 7-6)

So, I don't think you really want to bring Nick Saban up as an example of a coach struggling in his first year as a Head Coach.

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4 of those guys (kindley, barnes, cleveland, sims) were listed on 247 as tackles but all are currently a guard on our roster. That is very, very scary and has very little to do with kirby.

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You are correct, here. However, in fairness some of those guys were drafted as 4* OT. (Cleveland, Allen, Sims, Baker according to 247 composite) Sometimes it just doesn't work out. It's not like it was completely neglected. I would have preferred we inked more OT's and move them to G than ink more guards and move them to OT. It is what it is. But this situation has existed for quite awhile. This is nothing new.

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Now...the year immediately before Saban took over the other schools you DID mention?
Michigan State: 0-11 (took them to 6-5-1)

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peoplpe mention saban because it's an obvious and easy comparison. We can agree MSU was his first "big boy" job after 1 season at toledo.

You mention his 6-5-1 record is misleading in year 1 because of how awful they were prior to his arrival. And that has merit! So how did he do after that each year?

1: 6-5-1
40 point loss to NU, loss to iowa, 40 point loss to wisconsin, loss to PSU, loss to LSU

2: 6-6
40 point loss to NU, loss to UL, loss to iowa, mich, penn st, 38-0 loss to stanford

3: 7-5
losses to NW, mich, osu, purdue, 30 point bowl loss to washington

4: 6-6
losses to csu, oregon, minnesota, purdue, penn state


Now how is it that the greatest coach in our lifetimes and maybe ever was still going .500 in year 4? All his own players, his own process, his own everything, yet still going 6-6 with embarassing losses.

Boy I bet saban is glad the internet wasn't then what it is now or he'd never have made it past his second gig.

Wow.

Didn't think it was gonna happen until the spring, but we already have an excuse for next year and it's still October.

Apparently Michael Barnett is switching to OT. Crowder working at LB. Shakenneth Williams to DB.

All scream, "might as well try before I transfer," but we can hope for the best.

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People rationalizing kirby's coaching with Richt's blow my fricking mind.

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I'm not comparing his coaching to richt. I don't think comparing what a coach does in his first year as a head coach to the year before with a coach in his 15th year is fair or even relevant. I was simply pointing out we have some MAJOR holes on the roster, and we aren't in that position because of kirby. That's just fact.

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It's year one I get it. I promise I do. But losing to Vandy isn't covered in the year one "not gonna judge the coach" agreement for me.

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Nobody expected a loss to vandy and UGA never should lose to them. That was awful, and nobody is overjoyed about it. But this entire season is basically irrelevant IMO when it comes to kirby's potential. It took saban until his FIFTH season at a big boy job to actually have a good season. He had multiple 40+ losses in his first 4 years at MSU. It simply takes time, and he's in the somehwat unenviable position of learning on teh job at a major school (which saban didn't).

I guess my whole point is...it sucks losing to vandy but I'm not going to give up on kirby beucase of what happened in his 7th career game. I don't think we can really truly write the book on kirby until 3 or 4 years. You simply can't until the guy has his own players and own systme in place. I think that's fair, do you?

I don't always agree with that guy and this is one of those times.

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peoplpe mention saban because it's an obvious and easy comparison. We can agree MSU was his first "big boy" job after 1 season at toledo.

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But he was coaching Toledo, a nothing school against similar talent. However, it is NOT a fair comparison to compare any other coach to Nick Saban. I think people who compare Smart to Saban do Smart a huge disservice.

I understand Saban had some losses he should not have had. The point was that he took programs that were (as a whole) in total disarray and made huge advances.
Shoot. Saban let Ole Miss beat him two years in a row, and an average Arkansas team almost upset him a couple of years. Even he isn't infallible.

I think we are, in this case on the same side, but you are missing my point. My point, was...don't compare Smart to Saban. very few people will compare favorably. And Saban consistently elevated programs.

However, your point being that Saban struggled for 4 years at Michigan State. If Smart is 6-6 in year 4 here at Georgia, are you going to be happy?

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Apparently Michael Barnett is switching to OT.

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VERY strange. I mean, which would be an easier transition? Going from G to T, or going from DT to T?
We had 4 4* commit since 2014 that were recruited as tackles.