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re: Who do you consider A level College Head Football Coaches?
Posted on 7/23/16 at 5:53 am to djsdawg
Posted on 7/23/16 at 5:53 am to djsdawg
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I think he does get credit for that, but many of those 10 win seasons involved few big time wins mixed in with bad losses and close wins.
Ok. But would you have accepted 8 win seasons with big wins and losses to Decent teams? If it is easy to win 10 games, then we should be expecting 10 wins from Smart. I realize it is his first year, new staff, and so on, I understand that very few first year coaches do well....but the reason they usually don't do well is because they inherit a team that has been losing and is devoid of talent. The coach before them got fired for losing. That was not the case with Richt.
Richt detractors want to say that it is easy to win 10 games because of the talent on the team and we play in the East. Those same people want to give Smart a pass because our talent level isn't there. So, which is it? Did Richt win with talent, or not?
Don't misunderstand me. I was a big Richt supporter, but I am glad Smart is here and hope he can take us to the next level. I think he has done some good stuff, so far. I just wish people were more consistent.
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Posted on 7/23/16 at 7:41 am to DawgsLife
We weren't winning 10 games this year even if Saban was the coach. The team just isn't that good. It has nothing to do with Richt or Smart, people are willing to give Smart a pass this year because they can see the team isn't good.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 7:43 am
Posted on 7/23/16 at 7:50 am to DawgsLife
My opinion is not completely based on past results.
It's based on who I think are actually the best coaches.
It's based on who I think are actually the best coaches.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 7:51 am to gatorhata9
Yeah, and everybody knows the 1 year Les Miles won the national championship, Georgia would have kicked their butts.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 7:53 am to samson'sseed
Harbaugh has 1 good college football season.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:02 am to samson'sseed
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knows the 1 year Les Miles won the national championship, Georgia would have kicked their butts.
Depends on when the game was played.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:10 am to djsdawg
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Depends on when the game was played
Watched the title game the other night.Their OC (Crowton?) had a great game plan and their execution was pretty impressive.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:49 am to td01241
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We weren't winning 10 games this year even if Saban was the coach. The team just isn't that good. It has nothing to do with Richt or Smart, people are willing to give Smart a pass this year because they can see the team isn't good.
We were not "good" last year. Lambert at QB. Schottenheimer at OC. Chubb hurt. Honestly. We are in better shape this year than we were last.
Upgrade at OC. Upgrade OL Coach, Chubb back and Holyfield providing depth behind Chubb and Michel. Supposedly, and hopefully an upgrade at Head Coach. Eason taking over at QB, whenever during the season. More depth all over the field except, maybe at DL, thanks to a very good recruiting class. Florida will be worse, probably, Mizzou still no offense, South Carolina in a downward trajectory, no Alabama on the schedule...
Posted on 7/23/16 at 8:52 am to samson'sseed
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My opinion is not completely based on past results.
It's based on who I think are actually the best coaches.
I can buy that. And I wasn't intending to belittle you. It's your opinion, and i respect that. i THINK Harbaugh is a good coach. maybe really good. I just want to see some kind of tangible results to back it up. I THINK Butch Jones is a good coach, but we all want to see him back it up with results, right? Harbaugh, in my opinion, has a long way to go before being mentioned in the same breath as Saban and Meyer.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:04 am to DawgsLife
You're right we weren't. We also were lucky to win 10 games. Much easier OOC schedule last year. Florida will be worse? Tell me when teams with a new coach get worse in their second year.They might not win the east but they won't be a worse team. Auburn will almost assuredly be better. When do teams starting a true freshman QB win 10 games? Is Chubb going to be as good as he was? Our DL is incredibly thin, IDK where you get the idea we have depth there.
This post was edited on 7/23/16 at 9:06 am
Posted on 7/23/16 at 9:35 am to DawgsLife
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Ok. But would you have accepted 8 win seasons with big wins and losses to Decent teams? If it is easy to win 10 games, then we should be expecting 10 wins from Smart. I realize it is his first year, new staff, and so on, I understand that very few first year coaches do well....but the reason they usually don't do well is because they inherit a team that has been losing and is devoid of talent. The coach before them got fired for losing. That was not the case with Richt.
Richt detractors want to say that it is easy to win 10 games because of the talent on the team and we play in the East. Those same people want to give Smart a pass because our talent level isn't there. So, which is it? Did Richt win with talent, or not?
Don't misunderstand me. I was a big Richt supporter, but I am glad Smart is here and hope he can take us to the next level. I think he has done some good stuff, so far. I just wish people were more consistent.
A lot depends on how tough the schedule is. Some 10 win seasons are impressive (2014), but not all of them (2008, 2011, 2015). Richt got fired for producing a crap team in 2015, and I doubt our schedule is gonna be as easy this year.
Reasonable folks are willing to give Kirby a pass because its year 1 and we will likely be very young in key areas, which is often not a recipe for success. Nothing inconsistent about that rationale.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 10:36 am to DawgsLife
In defense of Harbaugh, he coached at Stanford.
Stanford is like an Ivy League school. Athletes have to practically be geniuses to get accepted.
Saban and Meyer coached at Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Ohio State. An athlete can barely have a grasp of junior high grammar and get accepted into those schools.
Moreover, Harbaugh was taking over at a school that had had 5 straight losing seasons including a 1-11 record the year before he took over.
There is a marked improvement at Michigan already where he hasn't had time to recruit many of his own players.
I'm just really impressed with him.
Stanford is like an Ivy League school. Athletes have to practically be geniuses to get accepted.
Saban and Meyer coached at Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Ohio State. An athlete can barely have a grasp of junior high grammar and get accepted into those schools.
Moreover, Harbaugh was taking over at a school that had had 5 straight losing seasons including a 1-11 record the year before he took over.
There is a marked improvement at Michigan already where he hasn't had time to recruit many of his own players.
I'm just really impressed with him.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 12:47 pm to td01241
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Tell me when teams with a new coach get worse in their second year
Auburn under Malzahn, Michigan under Hoke, A&M under Sumlin, USC under Kiffin, WVU under Holgerson, that list could go on for awhile
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:52 pm to td01241
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We also were lucky to win 10 games.
I hear this, and maybe I don't understand what people mean. I mean, we could have, and SHOULD have beaten Tennessee, so we could have also won 11 games. Trying to remember the games we won, and I don't remember any that we won that I thought, "Wow. We should have lst that game. We were lucky!" We were closer than we should have been to Missouri, Vandy and one or two others, but we were beat up badly in most of those games with a bad OC, bad QB. I actually think Richt did a good job last year. Don't get me wrong, I am thrilled with what Kirby has done so far, and i am glad we have him. But what do you mean, "We were lucky to win 10?"
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Auburn will almost assuredly be better.
Why? They downgraded their DC. They didn't get a QB.
Their coach seems unwilling to tailor his offense to his personnel. They have a poor OC. Don't get me wrong...Auburn tends to come on strong when they are expected to be bad. But their tackling was awful last season and they downgraded at DC.
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Our DL is incredibly thin, IDK where you get the idea we have depth there.
Reread. I said we are thin at DL.
More depth all over the field except, maybe at DL,
Do we have question marks? Sure. No doubt. We had question marks last season, too. Last year I don't think we could look at a single position group and say we have definitely improved. Same could be said about the coaching staff. This year? We can say it about both.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:57 pm to djsdawg
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A lot depends on how tough the schedule is. Some 10 win seasons are impressive (2014), but not all of them (2008, 2011, 2015). Richt got fired for producing a crap team in 2015, and I doubt our schedule is gonna be as easy this year.
Don't get me wrong. I am not arguing that we had a good team. Or that it was impressive. If it were, Richt would still be coach. But, I don't see where anybody on our schedule will be tougher this year than last except, maybe Tennessee. Then we trade Alabama for Ole Miss. Not a HUGE downgrade, but a pretty decent one, at that. We pick up NC, but most don't think they will be as tough as last year.
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Reasonable folks are willing to give Kirby a pass because its year 1 and we will likely be very young in key areas, which is often not a recipe for success. Nothing inconsistent about that rationale.
I agree. I am thinking 9 wins. I was just pointing out how many on here screamed ANY decent coach could win 10 games at UGA with our division and our talent. Now everybody is backtracking and saying we will be lucky to win 8. 2 games difference? I expect 9 wins at least. I will be disappointed if we get fewer than 9. Not ready to run him off, mind you....but disappointed.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 1:59 pm to VADawg
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Auburn under Malzahn, Michigan under Hoke, A&M under Sumlin, USC under Kiffin, WVU under Holgerson, that list could go on for awhile
I figured there had to be some, but I didn't want to look them up. the most notable would be Malzahn. Auburn has gotten worse every year he has been there as HC.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:47 pm to DawgsLife
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I don't see where anybody on our schedule will be tougher this year than last except, maybe Tennessee. Then we trade Alabama for Ole Miss. Not a HUGE downgrade, but a pretty decent one, at that. We pick up NC, but most don't think they will be as tough as last year
The opposite is also possible. Right off the bat, unc is much tougher than last years opener. Some of the others were so bad, it would be hard for them to not improve at least a small amount.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:51 pm to DawgsLife
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I was just pointing out how many on here screamed ANY decent coach could win 10 games at UGA with our division and our talent.
I imagine folks were talking about established coaching staffs with experienced players, which we won't have until 2017.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 2:58 pm to djsdawg
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The opposite is also possible. Right off the bat, unc is much tougher than last years opener. Some of the others were so bad, it would be hard for them to not improve at least a small amount.
Honestly? I don't think South Carolina will be improved. Vandy? No. Kentucky? No. Bama much better than Ole Miss. Florida? No. NC will be better than our other OOC games, but Georgia Southern better than the other OOC games this year.
You are right, though. it's possible the schedule will be tougher, but I don't see it being a LOT tougher. maybe slightly if at all. Just my opinion.
Posted on 7/23/16 at 3:01 pm to djsdawg
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I imagine folks were talking about established coaching staffs with experienced players, which we won't have until 2017.
It's possible. But our coaching staff will be better this year, than last. Pittman and Chaney will improve it by themselves. And if Kirby is not better, then we shouldn't have changed. AGAIN, (Not for you, but others that will jump on me saying that) I am happy we have Kirby. I think long term, in particular it was a very good move. Maybe an outstanding move.
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