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What's the moral victory point spread against Tennessee?
Posted on 9/24/16 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 9/24/16 at 7:53 pm
I was disappointed today, to say the least. The betting line was +7 or something? Anyway, we lost by 31, probably could've been name your score if Freeze chose to press the issue. I thought for certain it was at least partly bad coaching to get blown out like that, but many here seem to think that the entire magnitude of this loss falls on a man who left town 9 months ago, and none on the current staff.
So, I'm wondering what margin of defeat, if any, could be considered disappointing next weekend. Let's call it the MRMMV point spread (Mark Richt Memorial Moral Victory Point Spread). This spread is the margin of defeat that can be fairly blamed on CMR, and everything else will be due to Smart's success or failure. Obviously, any losses for the rest of this season will be Richt's fault, but still there must be some level of embarrassment beyond which our current coaches bear the slightest responsibility?
So, if the mighty vols win by 31, would that be considered acceptable, because of Richt leaving us the worst UGA roster in history? 35? 28? Should the fans be ecstatic and rush the field if we only lose by 10? Is this MRMMV spread quantifiable, or should we just come back every weekend to find out the MRMMV PS once the scores are actually known.
If nobody's sure, I'll assume 28 next weekend, since Dobbs is not as good of a passer as Kelly, but their defense may be better than Ole Miss'. If we lose by less than that, I'll be a happy camper.
So, I'm wondering what margin of defeat, if any, could be considered disappointing next weekend. Let's call it the MRMMV point spread (Mark Richt Memorial Moral Victory Point Spread). This spread is the margin of defeat that can be fairly blamed on CMR, and everything else will be due to Smart's success or failure. Obviously, any losses for the rest of this season will be Richt's fault, but still there must be some level of embarrassment beyond which our current coaches bear the slightest responsibility?
So, if the mighty vols win by 31, would that be considered acceptable, because of Richt leaving us the worst UGA roster in history? 35? 28? Should the fans be ecstatic and rush the field if we only lose by 10? Is this MRMMV spread quantifiable, or should we just come back every weekend to find out the MRMMV PS once the scores are actually known.
If nobody's sure, I'll assume 28 next weekend, since Dobbs is not as good of a passer as Kelly, but their defense may be better than Ole Miss'. If we lose by less than that, I'll be a happy camper.
This post was edited on 9/24/16 at 8:02 pm
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Posted on 9/24/16 at 7:56 pm to wdhalgren
If we lose by less than 20 we should tear down the goal posts.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 7:57 pm to wdhalgren
Were the Bulldogs ever back to back underdogs in the entirety of Richt's tenure? 
(maybe I'm a dipshit)
(maybe I'm a dipshit)Posted on 9/24/16 at 7:59 pm to wdhalgren
That team will struggle to beat Vandy, SC, and UK. I would imagine Tennessee will win comfortably... 14-17 points. Dobbs had a career day vs UF, one of the best, if not the best D in the country. Can't imagine how bad he's gonna frick us up.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 8:04 pm to Kneehigh
Yeah Vols will win by 14 in our house.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 8:16 pm to Kneehigh
We're all reading way too much into this. First of all - OM is a very good team. Kelly and those receivers looked like pros. They've scored on everybody.
We have a pedestrian line. We lost our best receiver last year with no real replacement. We have a freshman QB who throws from his back foot and misses reads. We also just had a shitty day with a lot of drops. We got no pass rush and when we did we missed tackles. Our DB's seemed lost.
Some of this is on Kirby as he's obviously struggling getting these kids motivated. Our defense looks inept. We make questionable calls and our receivers aren't getting it done. Is this on CKS or are these issues that were carried over? Who knows. I can't believe that CKS doesn't know how to coach defense or Pittman doesn't know what he's doing with the line. So it has to be something else.
New coaches, schemes, players, etc. it is what it is. I'm not a CKS apologist but going apeshit after your 1st yr coach and freshman QB get drummed by a solid team is beyond stupid. UGA getting blown off the field didn't start today.
We have a pedestrian line. We lost our best receiver last year with no real replacement. We have a freshman QB who throws from his back foot and misses reads. We also just had a shitty day with a lot of drops. We got no pass rush and when we did we missed tackles. Our DB's seemed lost.
Some of this is on Kirby as he's obviously struggling getting these kids motivated. Our defense looks inept. We make questionable calls and our receivers aren't getting it done. Is this on CKS or are these issues that were carried over? Who knows. I can't believe that CKS doesn't know how to coach defense or Pittman doesn't know what he's doing with the line. So it has to be something else.
New coaches, schemes, players, etc. it is what it is. I'm not a CKS apologist but going apeshit after your 1st yr coach and freshman QB get drummed by a solid team is beyond stupid. UGA getting blown off the field didn't start today.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 8:21 pm to SquatchDawg
I'm not reading anything into today; it's history. But my question above is semi-serious. How badly do we have to lose against Tennessee in Athens, before Kirby Smart can be said to have done a bad coaching job? Is there any amount of loss that can't possibly be blamed on Mark Richt? 80 points? Without knowing that number, I don't know whether to be happy with the results, because Kirby is overcoming Richt's lingering effect, or disappointed because Kirby's not getting it done.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 8:31 pm to wdhalgren
One marker would be if the game announcers don't spend half the game talking about how UGA doesn't have the players to compete with UT - and that's regardless of whether the loss is by 1 or 100.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 8:35 pm to FaCubeItches
So you're saying that no matter how badly we lose to Tennessee, it's out of Kirby's hands. He has absolutely no responsibility for how the team plays or the final score. Okay, good to know.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 8:46 pm to wdhalgren
Please point out the exact part of the statement where I said that. If the game announcers spend most of the game talking about the talent disparity, that's a big indicator that it's Richt casting a long shadow.
If the announcers spend most of the game talking about how they can't understand why UGA isn't doing A, B, or C, how UGA keeps missing the fact that X, Y, or Z is always open, or that that UGA was doing something that was working consistently and then quit doing it, that would be a big indicator that it's Smart (or his staff) failing.
Shorter version: to the extent that the statement is that we don't have the ponies, that's on Richt; to the extent that the statement is that we're doing something dumb, that's on Smart.
If the announcers spend most of the game talking about how they can't understand why UGA isn't doing A, B, or C, how UGA keeps missing the fact that X, Y, or Z is always open, or that that UGA was doing something that was working consistently and then quit doing it, that would be a big indicator that it's Smart (or his staff) failing.
Shorter version: to the extent that the statement is that we don't have the ponies, that's on Richt; to the extent that the statement is that we're doing something dumb, that's on Smart.
Posted on 9/24/16 at 8:54 pm to FaCubeItches
Well, you said, "that's regardless of whether the loss is by 1 or 100." So I assume you meant even if it's by 100 points, the blame is on Richt if that's what the announcers say.
I don't care about the announcers. I want to know what, if any, level of responsibility for this team falls on Kirby Smart. Surely there must be some level of lousy play for which he can't escape responsibility. Honestly, I think he's done a poor job so far, but I've been shouted down and called an idiot by several on this board.
So, I'd just like to hear some of the Kirby apologists explain if it's possible for UGA to lose so badly that it can't be blamed on Mark Richt. If we can't even quantify a minimum level of competency for Kirby's team, based on scores since that's the ultimate goal, then there's no debate that he was a bad hire.
I don't care about the announcers. I want to know what, if any, level of responsibility for this team falls on Kirby Smart. Surely there must be some level of lousy play for which he can't escape responsibility. Honestly, I think he's done a poor job so far, but I've been shouted down and called an idiot by several on this board.
So, I'd just like to hear some of the Kirby apologists explain if it's possible for UGA to lose so badly that it can't be blamed on Mark Richt. If we can't even quantify a minimum level of competency for Kirby's team, based on scores since that's the ultimate goal, then there's no debate that he was a bad hire.
This post was edited on 9/24/16 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 9/25/16 at 1:07 am to wdhalgren
So you're asking by what point margin loss we blame on coaching and not on talent?
Long post short, I'd say if we lose by more than 3 scores 17-21 points, then it's on coaching.
However, and please tell which ones I'm missing, but how many starters right now were actively recruited by Smart that weren't currently drawn by Richt?
I'll pass judgment on whether CKS should be fired when I see HIS recruits take the field and suck this bad in 2017-2018.
At the same time, I get what you're saying: Good coaches do better with less because they're able to coach up mediocre talent to the level of teams that recruit well. I don't disagree with the fact that some of this is on CKS. However, I still think that some of this is a mindset. Players aren't 100% invested in the current mindset and are relearning a whole new system and have to buy into it.
Ill save judgement on CKS this year, not on if he should be fired but how he's building the team, on how well he and his staff recruit.
Right now it's hard to say how much of this is poor coaching and how much is on what was left in the cabinet when he came in.
Word is there is already one coach on the hot seat within this staff that may not be retained.
Long post short, I'd say if we lose by more than 3 scores 17-21 points, then it's on coaching.
However, and please tell which ones I'm missing, but how many starters right now were actively recruited by Smart that weren't currently drawn by Richt?
I'll pass judgment on whether CKS should be fired when I see HIS recruits take the field and suck this bad in 2017-2018.
At the same time, I get what you're saying: Good coaches do better with less because they're able to coach up mediocre talent to the level of teams that recruit well. I don't disagree with the fact that some of this is on CKS. However, I still think that some of this is a mindset. Players aren't 100% invested in the current mindset and are relearning a whole new system and have to buy into it.
Ill save judgement on CKS this year, not on if he should be fired but how he's building the team, on how well he and his staff recruit.
Right now it's hard to say how much of this is poor coaching and how much is on what was left in the cabinet when he came in.
Word is there is already one coach on the hot seat within this staff that may not be retained.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 1:12 am
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