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What is your take on Ware's on comparison of Gurley and Moreno?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 7:01 am
Posted on 6/26/14 at 7:01 am
I know, its the slow period and little to no football news - so I will take what I can get.
Discuss.
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Posted on 6/26/14 at 7:24 am to Spaceman Spiff
It's not even a fair comparison really. Moreno was a solid back that complimented the offense and our passing game. If we had Gurley on the same teams that Moreno played on we probably have a championship at some point.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 7:55 am to Prettyboy Floyd
Love Knowshon but Gurley clearly is the better, stronger, scarier back that everyone dreams of having.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:06 am to Spaceman Spiff
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What is your take
I think Ware is likely a bit biased considering he played with Knowshon and knows him well.
I don't think it's a stretch at all to say that 6 months from now everybody on here will be saying TG is the 2nd best RB we've ever had. No knock on knowshon bc he was a baller, but Gurley is simply better in almost every aspect of the game.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:14 am to Spaceman Spiff
on a side note..it seems that both Moreno and Gurley weren't that highly touted and both were/are fantastic RBs
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:15 am to Spaceman Spiff
I know we UGA fans like to compare our RBs to that Walker guy, but Gurley is more of a Walker than a Moreno. Don't think he has Herschel's break-away speed but he's plenty fast and bruising. I think this will be a fun season for the Dawgs if everyone stays healthy. I can't wait to see Chubb get some carries.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:16 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Gurley has rushed for 2,374 yards in two seasons, but missed three games last year due to an ankle injury and wasn’t fully healthy for others.
Moreno rushed for 2,734 yards in two seasons. That is still good for fourth most on the Bulldogs’ career list trailing only Herschel Walker, Garrison Hearst and Lars Tate.
Did Moreno have any injuries during that time and I think I remember he did not? If not that is big. It means he's dependable. What three games was Gurley absent? IDK I feel like production wise they are the same with minor variations between them.
BUT, I don't remember any team being scared of Moreno and I do remember Moreno having issues blocking. So for me it's close but from an NFL standpoint I believe they look at Gurley as the total package and may lean his way.
All that said this season will tell the tale. If he comes out and dominates like his freshman season or better then I would most definitely lean Gurley's way no doubt. If he comes out and is injured again... Moreno no question.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 8:20 am
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:17 am to Leghumper
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on a side note..it seems that both Moreno and Gurley weren't that highly touted and both were/are fantastic RBs
Kind of baffling isn't it? I know there are many great running backs that weren't as highly sought after as others, but its shocking that two of our best backs of this decade were guys who basically fell into our laps and were guys we weren't really counting on as being great players coming in.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:20 am to Leghumper
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it seems that both Moreno and Gurley weren't that highly touted
Both were high 4 stars.
KM was the 10th ranked RB nationally and 3rd best player in state, TG was the 5th ranked RB and also #3 in state.
I realize they weren't unanimous top 5 overall prospects, but to say they weren't highly touted is a bit of a stretch.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:21 am to Red&Black
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Kind of baffling isn't it? I know there are many great running backs that weren't as highly sought after as others, but its shocking that two of our best backs of this decade were guys who basically fell into our laps and were guys we weren't really counting on as being great players coming in.
Both of them were top 100 players (Gurley got ranked highly late in the process). I think a lot of it has to do with where they're from. Georgia fans tend to gravitate to the players from Georgia and give less attention to out of state players. That's natural I suppose, but you kind of see I happening again with Chubb and Michel
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:31 am to WG_Dawg
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but to say they weren't highly touted is a bit of a stretch
point taken..just don't remember all the love during recruiting season and Moreno only got on the field after injuries to 2 RB's ahead of him..
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:38 am to Spaceman Spiff
Gurley has shown the potential to be a damn near prototypical SEC back - big, runs well between the tackles, good speed, dependable with the ball, and has been clutch in big games. There were stretches his freshman season that he played more physical and was able to grind out more yards than any back UGA has had since the Dooley era (Alabama, Florida, Mizzou). If he can improve his conditioning before the season starts and stay clear of any major and/or nagging injuries, there's no reason to think he won't put up more yards than any back in UGA history not named Herschel.
Which is a pretty big deal. In my mind it's Gurley > Moreno.
Something to consider, Gurley had Marshall to compliment him in '12 - his best season. Moreno was best when Thomas Brown was there to spell him. But in '08, when it was almost a one man show, Moreno pulled himself out of a lot of games (NFL-itis?). Gurley didn't come out of games post injury return in '13 until he couldn't go (which gets us back to that conditioning).
Put it this way, if you're headed into the 2012 SECC game again, which one do you want on the roster? I think the answer to that is pretty clear.
Which is a pretty big deal. In my mind it's Gurley > Moreno.
Something to consider, Gurley had Marshall to compliment him in '12 - his best season. Moreno was best when Thomas Brown was there to spell him. But in '08, when it was almost a one man show, Moreno pulled himself out of a lot of games (NFL-itis?). Gurley didn't come out of games post injury return in '13 until he couldn't go (which gets us back to that conditioning).
Put it this way, if you're headed into the 2012 SECC game again, which one do you want on the roster? I think the answer to that is pretty clear.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:40 am to Leghumper
True, remember being very disappointed that we missed on the USCw kid, opening the door for Moreno. Don't remember the USC kids name....Moreno was the 1st RB selected in his draft.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:45 am to smelvis
Gurley, but Moreno had shite for an OL in 2008.
Gurley's OLs have been average to good each year.
My personal top 5 ranking of GA rb's I've witnessed:
1) Walker
2) Hearst
3) Gurley
4) Hampton
5) Moreno
Gurley's OLs have been average to good each year.
My personal top 5 ranking of GA rb's I've witnessed:
1) Walker
2) Hearst
3) Gurley
4) Hampton
5) Moreno
Posted on 6/26/14 at 8:51 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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If we had Gurley on the same teams that Moreno played on we probably have a championship at some point.
Do either of them play defense?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:43 am to Spaceman Spiff
Gurley is both bigger and stronger than Moreno. Moreno was a great college back mainly due to that patented spin-move that got him so many extra yards in spite of inadequate blocking. Gurley has the same problem; I don't think our OL during his tenure is any better than who we had when Moreno was playing. But fortunately Gurley is a bruiser and capable of getting yards on his own. As others have said, if Gurley gets back in shape, he has potential to become the 2nd best back in UGA history.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:46 am to bulldawger
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My personal top 5 ranking of GA rb's I've witnessed:
1) Walker
2) Hearst
3) Gurley
4) Hampton
5) Moreno
I agree with this list. Gurley has potential to move up the list but we will have to see how this coming season pans out. With Mason as a first year starter, I am hoping we will be able to rely more on our running game compared to the offense with Murray at the helm. We had to rely on Murray's arm to a large extent because we couldn't sustain a consistent running game.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:05 am to Leghumper
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just don't remember all the love during recruiting season and Moreno only got on the field after injuries to 2 RB's ahead of him..
this statement is an indictment of our talent evaluation under Richt...we redshirted Moreno...and he should have been playing that freshman year...then, as you said he only got the job his sophomore season due to injury...and turned out to be the tits...bad assessment of talent by our staff right there...imho
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:44 am to SthGADawg
The Moreno shite was a whiff on their part but in the Richtard's defense 2006 we had a stable of backs we knew were good in Lumpkin, Brown, and Ware. No one knew Moreno was better.
But now I feel dirty having defended Mark.
But now I feel dirty having defended Mark.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:57 am to SthGADawg
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we redshirted Moreno...and he should have been playing that freshman year
Hindsight is 20/20. We had Lumpkin, Brown, and Ware all ahead of him on the depth chart, all of which were pretty proven and could easily be the #1 if we asked them to.
Imagine having gurley, marshall, and then another thomas brown on the team going into this year. Michel/Chubb could end up being all americans, but going INTO the season it's not crazy to think they should be redshirted.
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