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re: UPDATED: What's the word on Tevin Mack (B-Ball recruiting)? Picked Tejas
Posted on 5/21/15 at 1:21 pm to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 5/21/15 at 1:21 pm to Crowknowsbest
Again, this is the crap our "fans" are spreading. Fans like you. Were Turtle Jackson, E'torrion Wilridge, Derek Ogbeide, and Michael Edwards all misses too? Did we not put effort into recruiting those guys? Did they simply fall into our laps? What about Harris and Crump for 2016? Did we whiff on those guys? When the beloved football team misses on a target, do you start complaining about a lack of effort in recruiting?
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Posted on 5/21/15 at 1:37 pm to Eldrewo
Glad to have those guys, but UGA hasn't signed a top 100 player since KCP in 2011. Harris is close so maybe that will change in 2016.
I'm not faulting Fox's effort. I'm faulting the results. I criticize the football program when it's warranted. They just miss a hell of a lot lower %.
I know UGA's basketball program isn't a power and don't expect them to recruit like one. They should recruit at least a little better than they currently are though imo if only due to location. The talent level isn't high enough for UGA to take the next step as a basketball program.
I'm not faulting Fox's effort. I'm faulting the results. I criticize the football program when it's warranted. They just miss a hell of a lot lower %.
I know UGA's basketball program isn't a power and don't expect them to recruit like one. They should recruit at least a little better than they currently are though imo if only due to location. The talent level isn't high enough for UGA to take the next step as a basketball program.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 2:02 pm to Eldrewo
Those guys we are landing are ok players, but it's frustrating losing out on so many guys we want when teams like LSU, A&M, and Auburn are getting some really solid players. I really like Fox and want him here for a really long time. The only change I've said repeatedly I would make is going out and spending money on an ace recruiter. Basketball recruiting matters more so than any other sport IMO.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 2:04 pm to Crowknowsbest
More BS. The program already has taken the next step. We have gone from one of the worst teams in the SEC to a tournament team. Has it been a slow process? Absolutely, but we have made huge strides, and now we are starting to see better recruits take notice. None of the guys we have coming in next year are slouches. They were all recruited by serous basketball programs.
Turtle Jackson had offers from Florida, Uconn, Tech, Kansas, etc...
E'torrion Wilridge had offers from Iowa State, Marquette, Oklahoma, etc...
Derek Ogbeide had offers from Tulane, Memphis, Virginia Tech, etc...
Michael Edwards had offers from Kansas State, Pitt, SMU, etc...
Jordan Harris had offers from Uconn, Tennessee, Maryland, Memphis, etc...
The point I am making is that the recruiting is better and probably on par with our current "standing". Plus, Fox clearly has the ability to improve players. Top 100 recruits won't come here until we have some sustained success and make a tournament run or two. Wouldn't it be nice if we could get the fanbase on board now. This is actually a really exciting time for the program, but instead people just want to harp on any "failure" they can find.
As far as the football recruiting is concerned, they miss on PLENTY of recruits. There is just a much much larger pool to choose from.
Turtle Jackson had offers from Florida, Uconn, Tech, Kansas, etc...
E'torrion Wilridge had offers from Iowa State, Marquette, Oklahoma, etc...
Derek Ogbeide had offers from Tulane, Memphis, Virginia Tech, etc...
Michael Edwards had offers from Kansas State, Pitt, SMU, etc...
Jordan Harris had offers from Uconn, Tennessee, Maryland, Memphis, etc...
The point I am making is that the recruiting is better and probably on par with our current "standing". Plus, Fox clearly has the ability to improve players. Top 100 recruits won't come here until we have some sustained success and make a tournament run or two. Wouldn't it be nice if we could get the fanbase on board now. This is actually a really exciting time for the program, but instead people just want to harp on any "failure" they can find.
As far as the football recruiting is concerned, they miss on PLENTY of recruits. There is just a much much larger pool to choose from.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 2:10 pm to Dawgsontop34
Meh. Let's see how well any of those programs actually do with those recruits. The football team is landing plenty of big time recruits, and we don't exactly have a lot of championships to show for it. Not to mention those teams (especially Auburn) are on the brink of NCAA disaster at any given moment. Would you rather have a year or two of success followed by probation or sustained success? We already tried the later route, and we see how that worked out! Personally, I don't want to go back to that!
Posted on 5/21/15 at 2:17 pm to Eldrewo
That's all nice, but a big time player or two would make all the difference.
That's not true. Go look at LSU, A&M, MSU, AU's classes.
They also have to fill more spots. The football program recruits in the top 10. The basketball program isn't anything close to that. I'm not saying they should be, but the football miss comparison doesn't really hold water. If the basketball program could sign one top 100 kid per class, the ceiling of the team would rise dramatically. I'm not saying the guys we signed are slouches. They just aren't guys who take you to the sweet 16, most likely. They can help a great team though.
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Top 100 recruits won't come here until we have some sustained success and make a tournament run or two.
That's not true. Go look at LSU, A&M, MSU, AU's classes.
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As far as the football recruiting is concerned, they miss on PLENTY of recruits. There is just a much much larger pool to choose from.
They also have to fill more spots. The football program recruits in the top 10. The basketball program isn't anything close to that. I'm not saying they should be, but the football miss comparison doesn't really hold water. If the basketball program could sign one top 100 kid per class, the ceiling of the team would rise dramatically. I'm not saying the guys we signed are slouches. They just aren't guys who take you to the sweet 16, most likely. They can help a great team though.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 2:32 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Go look at LSU, A&M, MSU, AU's classes.
If you're worried about what LSU, A&M, and MSU are doing, just look at their coaches. None of those guys can coach their way out of a wet paper bag! Plus, there is plenty of shadiness concerning their recruiting. AU has a good coach and great recruiter in Pearl. They are going to have some success in the coming years, and then it will all come crashing down.
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I'm not saying they should be, but the football miss comparison doesn't really hold water
I'm not trying to crap on the football program and understand it's an apple to oranges comparison, but they do have misses as well. The point was it is easier to cover those up in the eyes of the fans when you have ~25 new guys coming in each year, whereas basketball has 2-5 new guys coming in each year.
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They just aren't guys who take you to the sweet 16, most likely
I respectively disagree. I think with our current construction, if we can stay healthy, we have a legitimate shot of making the sweet 16 next year. Maybe the fans will take notice then. At least I will have the satisfaction of knowing I have been rooting them on through the thick and thin!
Also, thanks for engaging in some discussion about the basketball team! That shows that we are starting the make some strides. In the past, no one would even talk about them!
Posted on 5/21/15 at 2:41 pm to Eldrewo
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If you're worried about what LSU, A&M, and MSU are doing, just look at their coaches. None of those guys can coach their way out of a wet paper bag! Plus, there is plenty of shadiness concerning their recruiting. AU has a good coach and great recruiter in Pearl. They are going to have some success in the coming years, and then it will all come crashing down.
I'm not worried about them, but if they can get players then Georgia can too. I hate to say it, but basketball recruiting is shady as hell. I'm glad it's not my job to navigate it, but Fox and his staff are paid to. Basketball is talent driven, and they need players.
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I'm not trying to crap on the football program and understand it's an apple to oranges comparison, but they do have misses as well. The point was it is easier to cover those up in the eyes of the fans when you have ~25 new guys coming in each year, whereas basketball has 2-5 new guys coming in each year.
It's also easier to mask because each football miss is marginally less important to the success of a team, just because there are fewer players.
I'm rooting for them. I played a ton of basketball and watch a ton of it. I'd love for Georgia to be a consistent contender, which is why I'm critical.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:23 pm to Eldrewo
I've been to almost every basketball game over the last six years. Since getting to UGA I have paid a ton of attention to this basketball team and I like looking at the models of other successful programs to try and learn for our program. Fox has great X's and O's and the back cuts we run are really good. I think he occasionally struggles with time management, but so do many college coaches. The one area we need work on is recruiting. That would help with better facilities, but getting an in with a great AAU program or getting a big name guy to stay for a couple years would be great. I think we'd be in much better shape if Leslie and Thompkins wouldn't have left prematurely after 2011, but like you said we need to build on last year. Two straight great years will be huge for this program.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 7:54 pm to Dawgsontop34
Agree for the most part. The whole facilities thing is overblown in my opinion. I've been to practically every home game (90%) for the past thirty years (basically my entire life) and think the facelift on the coliseum was fantastic. Plus, the practice facilities we have are considered very nice compared to other programs. Could the recruiting improve? Sure, but it is way better than it was even a couple of years ago. I truly think the best way to improve the recruiting (besides getting in bed with the AAU programs) is getting the fans more involved. For too long the coliseum has been mostly empty for the majority of the games. Even in successful seasons, the attendance is crap. The big time recruits are literally playing in front of larger crowds during their high school games. Of course, this leads to the chicken or the egg question. I just want people to get excited, especially when there is reason to be excited!
Leslie and Thompkins leaving definitely hurt, but I don't blame them one bit. Cash in your chips when you can. As a matter of fact, I would advise any top five to ten talent in each recruiting class to simply go play overseas for a year and then enter the draft. Make some money, get some culture, see the world. After all, the are all one funny turn of the ankle or knee from losing it all!
Leslie and Thompkins leaving definitely hurt, but I don't blame them one bit. Cash in your chips when you can. As a matter of fact, I would advise any top five to ten talent in each recruiting class to simply go play overseas for a year and then enter the draft. Make some money, get some culture, see the world. After all, the are all one funny turn of the ankle or knee from losing it all!
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:15 pm to Eldrewo
I agree with pretty much everything you just said as well. I think we're in serious contention for a 5* in 2016 and I couldn't agree more with the fan problem. I love the free tickets for students now because I think it's helped the attendance tremendously but the Athens-Watkinsville crowd just blows for the most part. It's so frustrating watching other games ok TV and noticing how much better the big programs' crowds are. That would be frustrating for me as a player/recruit.
I don't really agree with you on the overseas stuff because I think it hurts draft stock more often than it helps it, but I don't blame kids for taking money either. I just don't always think leaving early is the right decision and I thought Thompkins and Leslie would have both been first rounders if they stayed an extra year.
I don't really agree with you on the overseas stuff because I think it hurts draft stock more often than it helps it, but I don't blame kids for taking money either. I just don't always think leaving early is the right decision and I thought Thompkins and Leslie would have both been first rounders if they stayed an extra year.
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