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TOS: How long can America stay on top?
Posted on 7/3/15 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 7/3/15 at 1:14 pm
Many similarities to Rome and other once great powers. Armies are spread thin. Govt. is controlled by lobbyist, corporations and bribery.
So on this Independence Day weekend I'm wondering how long until we can't grow enough food? How long until unemployment is 35%?
When will we collapse?
So on this Independence Day weekend I'm wondering how long until we can't grow enough food? How long until unemployment is 35%?
When will we collapse?
Posted on 7/3/15 at 2:20 pm to retooc
I think the most important and dangerous similarity to the fall of Rome is that our rulers share their same doomed monetary policies....and continue to completely debase our currency, the dollar.
For now, the dollar is still the reserve currency for the world and emerging powerhouses like China are still happy to loan us money, letting us continue to pretend that we are a rich nation while ignoring the trillions of unplayable debt on our credit card bill......,,but it won't and can't last.
The wealth of the United States is all an illusion. But we're so past the point of no return that nothing can be done other than to protect yourself from the inevitable collapse.
When will it happen? Could be next year or 15 years from now, but as you say....it is definitely coming. And so are the bloody wars that the u.s. will wage to try and stop these consequences the politicians have delivered for us.
It's the grim reality. happy Dependence day!
For now, the dollar is still the reserve currency for the world and emerging powerhouses like China are still happy to loan us money, letting us continue to pretend that we are a rich nation while ignoring the trillions of unplayable debt on our credit card bill......,,but it won't and can't last.
The wealth of the United States is all an illusion. But we're so past the point of no return that nothing can be done other than to protect yourself from the inevitable collapse.
When will it happen? Could be next year or 15 years from now, but as you say....it is definitely coming. And so are the bloody wars that the u.s. will wage to try and stop these consequences the politicians have delivered for us.
It's the grim reality. happy Dependence day!
Posted on 7/3/15 at 2:43 pm to retooc
At some point in the next 15-30 years, this country will have to stop depending on other countries to supply our energy resources. It will become fiscally impossible to continue spending money like we do on foreign commodities and purposely avoid domestic procurement.
The two parties are trying their damnedest to keep the population disinformed/ignorant about energy independence because the game of "Establishment Politics" is still making money hand over fist from massive corporate energy conglomerates via liquid oil and the newer wave of nonsense known as "Alternative Energy Sources", meaning wind and solar, which are a complete joke.
We've only explored about 20-25% of the drillable land in this country and in just that we already know we have at least 300 years worth of Natural Gas and 90 years worth of liquid oil. Some experts believe if we explored 100% that we'd find we over 1,000 years worth of NG and 400 years of liquid oil.
And yet the politicians that run this country have regulated domestic oil and gas drilling, refinement, and transportation into a virtual impossibility. There hasn't been a new refinery built in the U.S. for going on 35 years now. They've been trying for 40 years to get a pipeline from Alaska to the Dakotas and down the middle of the country to the Gulf. So why is this happening? Because the world conglomerates that don't want the U.S. to be energy independent have been buying politician's votes for decades.
The Dakotas have near full employment and are paying people who didn't even complete high school six figure salaries because they're one of the few states that has significantly more relaxed oil and gas regulation. And they had to do this because without it, those states would have gone bankrupt long ago. They had no alternative. And that's what will eventually happen to this entire country. It will get to a point where we have no alternative but to change the stance on oil and gas and begin building new refineries up and down a giant national pipeline.
And when this happens, jobs won't be a problem for a very long time. We will become the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas and the world's leading supplier of energy fossil fuels as mega corporation after mega corporation transitions all energy consumption mechanisms away from liquid oil, coal, and nuclear and into natural gas.
Now IF we lag too far behind on this and we end up blowing ourselves up in a nuclear world war or we get hit by a giant asteroid in the next 30 years, then yeah, it'll be worse than the fall of Rome. But, if people start waking the frick up about our establishment politicians on both sides being the actual problem, then hopefully we can fix this thing. At some point though, it won't be a matter of waking up because there's going to be a crash and bottoming out that forces it to happen. The key then will just be surviving that while we try to fix it.
The two parties are trying their damnedest to keep the population disinformed/ignorant about energy independence because the game of "Establishment Politics" is still making money hand over fist from massive corporate energy conglomerates via liquid oil and the newer wave of nonsense known as "Alternative Energy Sources", meaning wind and solar, which are a complete joke.
We've only explored about 20-25% of the drillable land in this country and in just that we already know we have at least 300 years worth of Natural Gas and 90 years worth of liquid oil. Some experts believe if we explored 100% that we'd find we over 1,000 years worth of NG and 400 years of liquid oil.
And yet the politicians that run this country have regulated domestic oil and gas drilling, refinement, and transportation into a virtual impossibility. There hasn't been a new refinery built in the U.S. for going on 35 years now. They've been trying for 40 years to get a pipeline from Alaska to the Dakotas and down the middle of the country to the Gulf. So why is this happening? Because the world conglomerates that don't want the U.S. to be energy independent have been buying politician's votes for decades.
The Dakotas have near full employment and are paying people who didn't even complete high school six figure salaries because they're one of the few states that has significantly more relaxed oil and gas regulation. And they had to do this because without it, those states would have gone bankrupt long ago. They had no alternative. And that's what will eventually happen to this entire country. It will get to a point where we have no alternative but to change the stance on oil and gas and begin building new refineries up and down a giant national pipeline.
And when this happens, jobs won't be a problem for a very long time. We will become the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas and the world's leading supplier of energy fossil fuels as mega corporation after mega corporation transitions all energy consumption mechanisms away from liquid oil, coal, and nuclear and into natural gas.
Now IF we lag too far behind on this and we end up blowing ourselves up in a nuclear world war or we get hit by a giant asteroid in the next 30 years, then yeah, it'll be worse than the fall of Rome. But, if people start waking the frick up about our establishment politicians on both sides being the actual problem, then hopefully we can fix this thing. At some point though, it won't be a matter of waking up because there's going to be a crash and bottoming out that forces it to happen. The key then will just be surviving that while we try to fix it.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:34 am to Jefferson Dawg
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"The wealth of the United States is all an illusion"
Nah, the wealth is still there. We've got ample resources: oil, natural gas, timber, etc.
The money may well be screwed, but everyone else's is, too.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 4:36 am to retooc
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"When will we collapse?"
We won't. The government likely will. There's a difference. The country isn't the government, and the government isn't the country. Once established, nations rarely go under, except by external conquest. Governments fall all the time, however.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 6:01 am to retooc
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: How long can America stay on top?
'Murica.....
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 10:27 am to retooc
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How long can America stay on top?
We're on top?
Posted on 7/4/15 at 10:45 am to FaCubeItches
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We won't. The government likely will. There's a difference. The country isn't the government, and the government isn't the country.
But.............the people, use the government's currency. They are forced to. So their future, their savings, are tied to the fate of the government.
Are you buying timber and natural gas and the other commodities you claim represents our wealth so that you can take part in the coming firesale of american resources to foreign countries?..... or are your savings in u.s. government dollars like 99% of everybody else here? (Those that even have any savings, that is.)
So, what happens when this piece of paper called a dollar lose even more of it's purchasing power and when the prices for everything especially basic necessities rise?
What happens when people can't put food on the table? What happens when millions who are addicted to having the government take care of them cradle to grave, have to go cold turkey and take care of themselves? What happens in places like atlanta when society collapses?
Answer: The government will take advantage of the situation they created and they'll seize even more power from the people under the guise of saving us from that situation. And the future dark age of oppression and misery begins. And many of "us" will beg for it. While those that resist it and want Independence from it will be branded "traitors". And the world will look upon the situation and laugh at what has happened to the arrogant bullies of the once mighty american empire.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 11:18 am to retooc
I don't deny the serious issues we have, but it's also valuable to remember that every generation thinks the world is fricked and headed for disaster and that the generation coming after them is worse than ever.
There is nothing new under the sun.
There is nothing new under the sun.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 11:37 am to S1C EM
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That pic is glorious
open it up in a new tab to get the full effect...
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:04 pm to retooc
Wait, wait, wait...you think we still are? When will we collapse?
Look around you, we are IN the collapse right now.
Look around you, we are IN the collapse right now.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 7/4/15 at 12:28 pm to retooc
Probably until the utterly fraudulent shell game we call our stock market collapses again and burys another dozen countries with it like last time. Practically no new regulations were enacted since the last time and it's virtually gaurenteed to happen again. Billions in bailouts, cries of socialism, CEO compensation around 350 times their avg worker (compared to an avg 40 times more in other countries), and practically nothing has changed since before. I cant imagine what the international attitude towards the dollar and our economy will be next time around
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:35 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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"So, what happens when this piece of paper called a dollar lose even more of it's purchasing power and when the prices for everything especially basic necessities rise?"
Germany underwent a currency collaps - still there. Hell, it underwent total conquest with the deliberate starvation of its population years - still there.
The countries of Eastern Europe underwent currency collapses and governmental collapse in the 1990s - still there.
France is on the 875th Republic - still there.
Italy was so unstablie that it changed governments almost daily - still there.
How many times has Argentina had economic and governmental collapses in the past 100 years? Still there.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:06 pm to FaCubeItches
I never said the U.S. would vanish or disappear.
Look. You mention germany, france, italy, argentina, but what were these countries national debts compared to what ours is today when their currencies collapsed? Would they even equal ours if you added them all together? And when were any of these country’s currencies used as IOUs for the entire planet like the dollar is?
We are talking about the u.s. empire here. The largest empire in the world history with the largest pile of IOUs the world has ever seen sprinkled over every corner of the globe.
And if the empire doesn’t destroy us first in wars to try and keep a grasp on their fleeting world power……what is this country going to look like when the dollar tanks and only place foreign countries can spend dollars is here in the u.s.? These countries will rush to get something of value for their worthless dollar IOU and everything in this this entire country will be sold like at a yard sale.
We’re going to end up like mexico or something with foreign companies basing their car companies here to take advantage of the cheap labor that americans will provide.
Oh man. The tables are going to turn. See you in the sweat shops.........
Look. You mention germany, france, italy, argentina, but what were these countries national debts compared to what ours is today when their currencies collapsed? Would they even equal ours if you added them all together? And when were any of these country’s currencies used as IOUs for the entire planet like the dollar is?
We are talking about the u.s. empire here. The largest empire in the world history with the largest pile of IOUs the world has ever seen sprinkled over every corner of the globe.
And if the empire doesn’t destroy us first in wars to try and keep a grasp on their fleeting world power……what is this country going to look like when the dollar tanks and only place foreign countries can spend dollars is here in the u.s.? These countries will rush to get something of value for their worthless dollar IOU and everything in this this entire country will be sold like at a yard sale.
We’re going to end up like mexico or something with foreign companies basing their car companies here to take advantage of the cheap labor that americans will provide.
Oh man. The tables are going to turn. See you in the sweat shops.........
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:37 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Oh man. The tables are going to turn. See you in the sweat shops.........
-Every generation in history
We aren't as unique as we want to think we are.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:52 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
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Every generation in history
We aren't as unique as we want to think we are.
How many generations have had a debt of this magnitude and a fiat currency?
None.
Sorry, but it's pretty insanely unique.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 9:56 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Silver's at 15.69. Time to stock up.
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