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re: Should Mark Fox get one more year?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 2:44 pm to Barstools
Posted on 2/21/17 at 2:44 pm to Barstools
I really like CMF as a person, mentor, a champion for the program and the class individual he is.Love the way his kids turn out as citizens and great ambassadors for the school and program...
Unfortunately this meme is way to familiar in UGA coaching circles...
Damn if we do and damn if we don't. Like Fox but don't think he's the answer. Look at what Pastner is already doing for the nats... Pisses me off, he's beaten a slew of very good teams with a bunch of nobody's. GT will be back to the dance long before us... FML...
Unfortunately this meme is way to familiar in UGA coaching circles...
Damn if we do and damn if we don't. Like Fox but don't think he's the answer. Look at what Pastner is already doing for the nats... Pisses me off, he's beaten a slew of very good teams with a bunch of nobody's. GT will be back to the dance long before us... FML...
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 2:46 pm
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 3:30 pm to Barstools
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Yeah, let's fire Fox and risk losing our recruits and upward trajectory to hire an unproven young guy that, even if successful, will leave in 3 years. That's definitely good for the long-term health of the program. We are a better program than when Fox got here and we are on the verge of breaking out of the dungeon our program has been in since Harrick decided to ruin everything we had.
Upward? We have gone backwards from the NCAA 10 seed we got 3 seasons ago, just like we went backwards from the previous NCAA 10 seed. We have been on the verge you speak of since fox's second season. The fact that we haven't improved enough is because he hasn't been good enough to do that. You never respond when I bring Baylor up. Wonder why?
Or maybe the recruits stick and then we get even better recruits with a better recruiter in place.
Good coach Will leave? Looks like you are saying fox isn't good since he hasn't left. Anyways, it's a dumb assumption for you to make.
You still havent provided any explaination as to why every single player needed to suffer because of the mistakes a few made.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:37 pm to Crowknowsbest
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No way a guy like Will Wade comes here, at least if I were in his position. It's something of a career trap imo given the program's history.
I disagree. Guys like Wade or keatts have proven their mettle but look at their salary. They'd be coming to a "Big time" conference, their salary would double or maybe even triple, and their in state recruiting base would be beyond anything they've seen before. No we aren't UK but they'd be nuts to not give us a serious look on all of the above, heck even just the salary aspect. Will wade currently makes less than $500K, you don't think if we offered $1.5M he'd think twice about us?
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Disagree with the recruit part. A more charismatic guy would do better than Fox, but probably still not that well.
we'll just disagree on this then. Bruce Pearl has brought multiple 5 stars to Auburn. They have a new building but it's teeny and their tradition isn't anything special...he recruits well because he's an insanely charismatic and likeable guy that kids wanna play for. Can you say the same for Fox? Bama has constantly recruited better than us under grant and avery, and it aint because of coleman coliseum. That place is a dump that makes stegeman look like the taj mahal.
And I think we're downplaying the affect a better recruiter would have. Right now we have 2 actual scorers and rely on the likes of KPG/wilridge/kessler/edwards/etc to give us solid minutes. Upgrading those guys with guys that may actually give us 5-7ppg would be huge.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:39 pm to dallasga6
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Like Fox but don't think he's the answer. Look
and that's all that needs to be said. If he's not the answer, wtf are we waiting on? Not having another dude signed sealed delivered with a promise in blood that he'll come here isn't a reason to not make a move. If Fox isn't the answer (he's not) then there's no use keeping him around any longer than we have to.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 4:53 pm to djsdawg
1. We are better than when Fox got here and have arguably the best recruiting class since he's been here. That's upward.
2. I didn't say a good coach would leave I said a young up an comer. UGA is a spring board job. It isn't a place where some young guy is going to come in and settle down and make a career. It's not an assumption it's fact.
3. You sound like a typical whiney bitch millennial crying about the punishment and how life isn't fair. I do think they all deserve equal punishment because they are a team and that's how teams work. You should focus us your anger on the person that broke the rules and caused the problem, not the person handing out the punishment.
2. I didn't say a good coach would leave I said a young up an comer. UGA is a spring board job. It isn't a place where some young guy is going to come in and settle down and make a career. It's not an assumption it's fact.
3. You sound like a typical whiney bitch millennial crying about the punishment and how life isn't fair. I do think they all deserve equal punishment because they are a team and that's how teams work. You should focus us your anger on the person that broke the rules and caused the problem, not the person handing out the punishment.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:26 pm to Barstools
It's a fact that fox's best team came in year 2. It's a fact we have gone backwards 2 years in a row. Backwards isn't upwards.
Fox was a young up and comer. Why is he still here in a spring board job? Either he isn't good or you are wrong about this idea. And this brings up Baylor again. How is their coach still there if your idea is a fact?
Individuals screwing up deserve individual punishments. Common sense Fairness isn't The bad thing you make it out to be. When punishment doesnt fit the crime, and what we did in 2003 didn't, the decision maker deserves scorn.
Fox was a young up and comer. Why is he still here in a spring board job? Either he isn't good or you are wrong about this idea. And this brings up Baylor again. How is their coach still there if your idea is a fact?
Individuals screwing up deserve individual punishments. Common sense Fairness isn't The bad thing you make it out to be. When punishment doesnt fit the crime, and what we did in 2003 didn't, the decision maker deserves scorn.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:34 pm to Barstools
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We are better than when Fox got here
Felton had a 48% winning percentage here which includes starting from NOTHING after Harrick. Fox over 8 years and inheriting a much better situation has a 55% win percentage. I believe he is exactly .500 in SEC play over 8 years. Better? Ok, maybe. Are you saying 50% in league play is as good as we should strive to?
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have arguably the best recruiting class since he's been here
You mean the one that's 9th in the SEC and 43rd overall? Alabama has a top 5 class for God's sake, do you think it's their stellar basketball history or the illustrious coleman coliseum? No, it's because they have a coach that teenagers want to play for. If you don't think we can recruit better you're insane.
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UGA is a spring board job. It isn't a place where some young guy is going to come in and settle down and make a career. It's not an assumption it's fact.
A fact based on what? How many apples to apples comparisons do you have with a young hotshot up and comer coming here? Zero, that's how many. And as far as us being a spring board to other jobs, where do you get that exactly? Fox is still here. Felton was fired for stinking. Harrick was fired. Jirsa was fired. Tubby left us for the holy grail of basketball jobs which also happend to have his son on teh roster. Durham was fired. So BEST CASE scenario you'd have to go to the mid-1970s to find a young up and coming coach that used us as a spring board to a team not named Kentucky. And even if you want to call my reasoning faulty and point to tubby as your example, that's still only one single person in 50 years. So the idea that a coach would ditch us "as fact, not assumption" according to you, is basically bullshite.
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You should focus us your anger on the person that broke the rules and caused the problem, not the person handing out the punishment.
why are you still blaming harrick for our basketball problems almost 15 years after the fact? Can you not just admit that Fox isn't a good coach?
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:37 pm to djsdawg
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Fox was a young up and comer.
In the same case as he's done here, his accolades at Nevada were built on teh backs of his predecessor's players.
Went to the second round of the tourney in year 1 there, lost in round 1 his second year, 1 and done in his 3rd year.
His 4th year at nevada (you'd think at this point he'd be building something and sustaining success) they lost 12 games and lost in the 1st round of the CBI. His 5th and final year at nevada they lost 13 games and again lost in the 1st round of the CBI.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 6:38 pm to BreezyDawg
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Mark Fox
Is this turd seriously still the coach? I don't even like Canadian sport ball but shouldn't his abortion of a record speak for itself? My god, we are a sorry bastian of sub par athletics these days.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 6:39 pm to WG_Dawg
If we can hire Dominique, then fire him.
If we can't, then shut up with this firing talk.
If we can't, then shut up with this firing talk.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 6:43 pm to WG_Dawg
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I disagree. Guys like Wade or keatts have proven their mettle but look at their salary. They'd be coming to a "Big time" conference, their salary would double or maybe even triple, and their in state recruiting base would be beyond anything they've seen before. No we aren't UK but they'd be nuts to not give us a serious look on all of the above, heck even just the salary aspect. Will wade currently makes less than $500K, you don't think if we offered $1.5M he'd think twice about us?
VCU offered Shaka Smart a $1M raise that would have put his salary at $2.8M when Texas came after him. VCU has over 30k students, and the entire AD is built on hoops. They have money if they need to spend it. He also has plenty of access to players in a hoops mini hotbed right in the middle of the East coast.
I just use Wade as an example because I see his name mentioned a lot by UGA fans.
ETA: These big "mid-majors" are bigger programs than people give them credit for. Butler, Gonzaga, Dayton, etc.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:05 pm to BreezyDawg
It is an insult to compare that sorry SOB with Richt.
Richt was a very good coach.
Fox is below average...should have been fired a long time ago.
C'mon guys. If you can't make the top 60 in the NCAA every single year, your program sucks.
I would have fired him long ago.
Richt was a very good coach.
Fox is below average...should have been fired a long time ago.
C'mon guys. If you can't make the top 60 in the NCAA every single year, your program sucks.
I would have fired him long ago.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:11 pm to goodbuds
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Among the candidates believed to be high on Georgia's list of potential replacements are Oklahoma's Jeff Capel; Xavier's Sean Miller; UNLV's Lon Kruger; Baylor's Scott Drew; and Virginia Commonwealth's Anthony Grant.
This was the list of candidates that were allegedly "high" on UGA's list back in 09. I know our AD at the time was in component... Besides Anthony Grant (who beat UGA a lot)... yah think a Sean Miller or a Scott Drew couldn't have come here and had better success than what Fox has had?
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:24 pm to Kneehigh
Drew would have us in the top 25. He was my first choice.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:21 am to Kneehigh
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Sean Miller or a Scott Drew couldn't have come here and had better success than what Fox has had
Sean Miller would never have come here with Arizona coming open.
ETA: I do think Mark Fox's time has run its course. Archie Miller from Dayton would be my first choice to replace him but with NC State also looking for a coach, this probably isn't realistic. What Georgia needs more than anything else is a coach who has a niche, like Tony Bennett and his pack line defense at UVA. It may not be the easiest kind of team to watch, but they are very good at what they do and they win games.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 11:28 am to WG_Dawg
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Fox was a young up and comer.
In the same case as he's done here, his accolades at Nevada were built on teh backs of his predecessor's players.
Went to the second round of the tourney in year 1 there, lost in round 1 his second year, 1 and done in his 3rd year.
His 4th year at nevada (you'd think at this point he'd be building something and sustaining success) they lost 12 games and lost in the 1st round of the CBI. His 5th and final year at nevada they lost 13 games and again lost in the 1st round of the CBI.
And we picked that over drew at Baylor? Damn.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:02 pm to djsdawg
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And we picked that over drew at Baylor? Damn.
why don't you look at scott drew's resume prior to 2010 for me real quick?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 2:30 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
The 2 seasons prior to that were impressive for situation he took over. He proved he could turn around an awful situation.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 3:28 pm to djsdawg
i don't really disagree as he went into as bad of a situation as possible, but there wasn't really anything there at that time to show it was some kind of slam dunk hire.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 3:58 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Semi-unrelated to the current discussion....anyone ever see Mark Fox's personal full-size b-ball court at his house?
I found it by accident while checking out another home I have to go to in the same subdivision tomorrow. Wasn't hard to spot.
I found it by accident while checking out another home I have to go to in the same subdivision tomorrow. Wasn't hard to spot.
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