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Should Mark Fox get one more year?

Posted on 2/21/17 at 2:27 am
Posted by BreezyDawg
Trembling Earth
Member since Dec 2016
3320 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 2:27 am
The past few seasons have made it seem like Fox cant get us over that hump. He seems to be the Mark Richt of BBall for us. He has made our BBall program relevant again for UGA fans, and made us competitive against good competition. So should we give him one more season?
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21723 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 5:52 am to
I don't think we should give you til the end of the season to keep posting.
Posted by boliep
Middle Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
251 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 6:38 am to

Fox has improved the program a bit from the previous coaching staff. Relevant, no. The UGA basketball program is not relevant.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30541 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:29 am to
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and made us competitive against good competition


is this like saying good losses?

we lost to Bama by 20 and blew a large lead against aTm. This team has a losing conference record....lets give him a lifetime contact if that is considered improvement
Posted by Dawgbreath
Athens
Member since Nov 2012
25 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 7:56 am to
The fact that there is not an outcry to dump Fox, shows what low priority the administration and fans place on basketball. Georgia gets an equal share of the SEC BB revenue, regardless of how they perform, so there is no business incentive to pay what it takes to get a top level coach.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 7:58 am
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
5413 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:02 am to
Fox should get several more years if the administration has no plans on investing in creating a highly competitive basketball program. If they do have plans to prioritize basketball, then they should go find a coach that can recruit.
Posted by Dawgman77
Statham
Member since Sep 2012
725 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 8:58 am to
Yante's injury will give him an excuse for another year.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26172 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:12 am to
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The fact that there is not an outcry to dump Fox,


Where the frick have you been?
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13161 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:58 am to
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Should Mark Fox get one more year?


Yes, until there is a stronger commitment by our admins and alumni to build a nationally competitive basketball program. Like all sports, we need coaches who can recruit the wealth of talent in the state of Georgia. Fox is not the answer but we might as well keep him until we are willing to pony up what it takes to attract a top 10 coaching staff.
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
15919 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:14 am to
Step 1- Fire McGarity
Step 2- Fire Stricklin
Step 3- Fire Fox
Step 4- ???
Step 5- Profit
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32777 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:05 am to
Keeping him only delays the inevitable. Pull the plug.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86434 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:32 am to
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Fox is not the answer but we might as well keep him



Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30541 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 11:48 am to
Where do I sign up
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21723 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 12:21 pm to
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Where do I sign up


Lots and Lots and Lots of donations!
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 12:55 pm to
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Fox should get several more years if the administration has no plans on investing in creating a highly competitive basketball program. If they do have plans to prioritize basketball, then they should go find a coach that can recruit.

Agree with this
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86434 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 1:30 pm to
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Fox should get several more years if the administration has no plans on investing in creating a highly competitive basketball program


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Agree with this


First off, I absolutely understand this mindset and where you're coming from. I totally get the reasoning behind why someone would think like this. But I don't see how people could think this is our best course of action.

Let's assume mcgarity is here for 10 years and basketball will continue to get the same treatment it always has. It doesn't make a lick of sense to keep fox around "just because" when we KNOW that he isn't going to win us anything of substance. If we make a change 1 of 3 things will happen.

1) We will get worse. Now, considering our baseline right now is making or hosting in the NIT, when I say "get worse" the bottom line of "not making the tourney" is still the same. So let's say we go from making and potentially hosting in the NIT to an unfavorable NIT draw or not even making it at all.

2) We stay about the same. Usually a good bet for the NIT and might slip into the tourney once every 5 or 6 years on the final week and lose in the first round. This is about par for the course now.

3) We improve. We make the tourney once every 4/5 seasons and maybe even win a game while there.


Only 1 of these is truly "bad", and it's really no worse than what we already are considering the goal should be to make the tourney. The 2nd option is basically keeping the status quo, and the 3rd is obviously ideal. My whole point is that there are no variables with fox, we know exacty who he is, how he recruits, how he coaches, how he subs, what his personality is, etc. We know exactly to a T what we have with Fox. I just don't see what we have to lose by going after someone that could pump some life and energy into the program and fanbase.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 1:38 pm to
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Only 1 of these is truly "bad"

true, but ...
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1) We will get worse.

highly likely. Basketball is a revenue sport. You can't half-arse it and expect to be even decent.

Fox is a decent babysitter of a half-assed program, if we're being honest.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86434 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 1:48 pm to
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highly likely. Basketball is a revenue sport. You can't half-arse it and expect to be even decent.


You simply can't say it's highly likely we'll get worse bringing in a new coach. Teh amount of money the AD funnels into stegeman, or branding, or facility improvements, or anything else has literally nothing to do with how well a new coach would coach and recruit.

Fox is an average recruiter and a below average coach. If we brought in a younger guy with a hint of charisma that recruited better (wouldn't be a huge stretch) and coached better, we're already on better footing than we are now.

That may not happen, I don't know bc I can't see the future. But to say us getting worse would be "highly likely" just isn't based in any reality.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 1:56 pm to
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Fox is an average recruiter and a below average coach.

I actually think he's a decent coach, just Xs and Os wise. If he wasn't, he would have done worse given our talent limitations due to his sub-par recruiting.

I don't think many appealing younger guys will want the job. No way a guy like Will Wade comes here, at least if I were in his position. It's something of a career trap imo given the program's history. Someone like Mark Gottfried is more likely imo.

I think the likely case is you end up with a retread guy that recruits a little better but is a bad coach.
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Teh amount of money the AD funnels into stegeman, or branding, or facility improvements, or anything else has literally nothing to do with how well a new coach would coach and recruit.

Disagree with the recruit part. A more charismatic guy would do better than Fox, but probably still not that well. Generally, salesmen are made more effective by a good product.
This post was edited on 2/21/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9407 posts
Posted on 2/21/17 at 2:04 pm to
Yeah, let's fire Fox and risk losing our recruits and upward trajectory to hire an unproven young guy that, even if successful, will leave in 3 years. That's definitely good for the long-term health of the program.

We are a better program than when Fox got here and we are on the verge of breaking out of the dungeon our program has been in since Harrick decided to ruin everything we had.
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