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re: Should Chaney stay or should he go? (Long)
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:19 pm to dawgdayafternoon
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:19 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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It isn't all on him and I'm sure there were other factors that contributed to this record (Bray being injured most of '11; UT having no defense in '12, etc).
Sorry. I didn't mean to be snarky. I prefer to look at offensive statistics when it comes to OC instead of team records etc. For me, it gives a little more context. I agree that the OC has to contribute to a record, though. Even offensive stats can be misleading depending on the talent he had to work with.
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That said, it's hard to spin being held to fewer than 20 points in half of the conference games you've coached in.
It's a good point. But it was early in Bielema's stint at Arkansas, and they were pretty devoid of any talent. They were transitioning from a pass heavy offense to a power run type of offense, I think. He really didn't have any talent to run the offense.
I just think people are jumping the gun to scream for his head after one year, when they argue for Smart all year long because we have no OL, receivers dropping passes and a freshmen QB. Chaney was working under those same circumstances.
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:21 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Aren't they at 15 non offensive TD's for the season or something ridiculous?
Seems like they said something like 12 going into the game with Washington....but that might be 12 defensive TDs, so it could be 15 when you add in punt/kick returns. That's pretty insane, and I wouldn't count on us to ever reach those numbers.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:31 pm to DawgsLife
Of course it's jumping the gun, and I'm willing to give him a shot (I'm sure he appreciates that - haha.) Nevertheless, there's plenty of room for concern . We were scoffed at by Rams fans when we hired Schotty, and he proved to be a bum steer. Likewise, Chaney's "body of work" isn't awe-inspiring, either, and we were heavily ridiculed for his hire by Vols & Razorback fans.
Honestly, I'm more worried about his QB development abilities than I am his sometimes goofy play calling. We don't need the stigma of being a place where QBs "go to die."
Honestly, I'm more worried about his QB development abilities than I am his sometimes goofy play calling. We don't need the stigma of being a place where QBs "go to die."
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:40 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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We were scoffed at by Rams fans when we hired Schotty, and he proved to be a bum steer.
Absolutely. And he proved to be a bust.
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Chaney's "body of work" isn't awe-inspiring,
Actually, I really don't think it is all that bad. He perfected the spread offense while at Purdue with drew Brees. And he installed and got a power running game that was one of the best in the nation at Arkansas. that tells me he is more than a one trick pony. he can adapt to his personnel, and that excites me very much. I like that he can evolve and change his offensive philosophy according to the talent he has.
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Honestly, I'm more worried about his QB development abilities than I am his sometimes goofy play calling. We don't need the stigma of being a place where QBs "go to die."
And this is legitimate. He helped develop Drew Brees, though, and also helped develop Brandon Allen, so i think he will at least be ok. Sometimes the lack of development in a QB isn't on the coach as much as the kid. But, yes, I see your point.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:46 pm to SneakyWaff1es
I know iMac had pr tds vs Vandy and au in 2015. Reggie Davis ha done vs ut and the d td, so that's 28 points to take away for 2015, and only 7 for 2016.
That's 22.8 for 2016 and 19.2 for 2015 = 3.6 ppg better.
It was a lot better at 3rd down conversions.
That's 22.8 for 2016 and 19.2 for 2015 = 3.6 ppg better.
It was a lot better at 3rd down conversions.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:25 pm to DawgsLife
Sometimes it's better to maintain the drive and get a first down. He killed so many drives in that manner. I know plenty about football and just because it's second and short doesn't mean you throw it 60 yards down field and kill the drive.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:21 am to Barstools
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Sometimes it's better to maintain the drive and get a first down. He killed so many drives in that manner. I know plenty about football and just because it's second and short doesn't mean you throw it 60 yards down field and kill the drive.
Not every time, no. But that is the absolute best situation to throw deep. And, yes. You do keep drives going sometimes by just going for the first down. But if you miss on second and short, you still have one and maybe two times to go for the first down. Second and one or two? Go deep and show the defense you will go deep. It gives you the opportunity to make a big play and to keep the defense honest in the future. If it fails....well....if you can make 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2, you have bigger problems. Sure, you will fail to make it sometimes, but there are too many positives to gain from going deep on 3rd and short not to try it, (But, if your point is you don't want to do it every time, then I agree. You don't want to do it every time.)
Posted on 1/3/17 at 9:05 am to DawgsLife
Won't lie, in probably jumping the gun. I want him gone, but I am willing to give him one more year to figure out Georgias strengths and focus on them.
I'm so critical of Chaney bc I watched his Tennessee teams, and they look very similar to this UGA team. And you can contribute it to a lack of talent or whatever, but good offensive coordinators scheme with what you have.
Like I've said I'm all for giving him one more year, Eason will have experience, our offensive line will hopefully be better than this one, and getting both Chubb and Michel back makes me giddy.
But if we are 6 games into the season next year and are struggling to move the ball, losing games bc of predictable play calling, not seeing any improvement whatsoever, then he needs to gtfo.
Year 2 will be a very critical year for Smart and Chaney.
I'm so critical of Chaney bc I watched his Tennessee teams, and they look very similar to this UGA team. And you can contribute it to a lack of talent or whatever, but good offensive coordinators scheme with what you have.
Like I've said I'm all for giving him one more year, Eason will have experience, our offensive line will hopefully be better than this one, and getting both Chubb and Michel back makes me giddy.
But if we are 6 games into the season next year and are struggling to move the ball, losing games bc of predictable play calling, not seeing any improvement whatsoever, then he needs to gtfo.
Year 2 will be a very critical year for Smart and Chaney.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:14 am to Bulldawg2010
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I'm so critical of Chaney bc I watched his Tennessee teams, and they look very similar to this UGA team. And you can contribute it to a lack of talent or whatever, but good offensive coordinators scheme with what you have.
Doesn't that also go back to the head coach, though?
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Like I've said I'm all for giving him one more year, Eason will have experience, our offensive line will hopefully be better than this one, and getting both Chubb and Michel back makes me giddy
This is reasonable, although, I would give him two unless this year (2017) turns out to be a total "Keystone Cops" type of thing.
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Year 2 will be a very critical year for Smart and Chaney.
I agree. My gut feeling is they both come through with flying colors. People tend to allow the success of a coordinator color their opinion of them....which on the surface seems reasonable. But a coordinator can be very good, but if he does not have the talent, he can look like a doofus. On the other hand, if a team is loaded with talent, a coordinator can look like a genius even though he might be average at best. Next year there should be no excuses along the lines of talent.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:49 am to Hobnailboot
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You have to see Eason develop in Year 2. He looked like crap in the bowl game, even regressed from earlier this year. Basic stuff like throwing off the back foot when he doesn't have to, throwing into double coverage, not getting into the progression at all. Bad decisions in general. Personally, I think he's really been set back by the o-line being a total sieve so he doesn't trust that he will have the full 3-4 seconds to set up and throw. But he really hasnt made visible progress since Tennessee. Chaney will get fired if he cant develop a 5-star QB in year 2.
Dude better get his resume up to date if Eason improving is his key to staying at UGA. Eason has so many basic mechanical flaws it will take at least 2 full seasons of improvement to get to average...and he has squandered one season by regressing. Eason may have a great Junior season and we may have him for 4 seasons because he hasn't shown any sign yet that he is going to play at the next level in anything other than a third string capacity (best gig in the NFL behind long snapper).
I don't even know if Eason has that much raw talent...he has shown some signs but the vast majoirty of his work thus far has not been much better than Lambert...and that is saying something...
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:01 am to germandawg
I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. You have to remember he is a true freshman. His numbers were much better compared to Stafford as a freshman. He has the tools, but you are correct to point out that he also has some flaws....as did Stafford, Greene and Murray. He does throw off his back foot a lot and his accuracy leaves something to be desired sometimes. I have no doubt the coaching staff will work on those things in the off season. Eason could develop into something special, if he gets in there and works hard.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 8:05 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:13 am to DawgsLife
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I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. You have to remember he is a true freshman. His numbers were much better compared to Stafford as a freshman. He has the tools, but you are correct to point out that he also has some flaws....as did Stafford, Greene and Murray. He does throw off his back foot a lot and his accuracy leaves something to be desired sometimes. I have no doubt the coaching staff will work on those things in the off season. Eason could develop into something special, if he gets in there and works hard.
I think Eason could definitely be something special if he works hard enough but I don't know if a new staff with as many issues as we have is the place to nurture that sort of work ethic, especially considering the culture at UGA.
Eason isn't as good as a freshman as Stafford, Greene or Murray....and it isn't just stats....he doesn't look the part....in fact at times he looks like Joe Cox. He has to pump fake every pass...for whatever reason he seems incapable of throwing the ball without a pump fake...which adds to his glacier like speed at getting rid of the ball...and then his accuracy is ALL over the place...under, over, behind...like shooting ducks never in front of them though so I guess there is that...and there is never any doubt from the time the ball is snapped who he is going to throw to...because he never takes his eye off the receiver he is going to throw to...it is truly amazing he hasn't thrown piles of INTs....had he been more accurate he would have....
All of that is correctable and is in need of correction in all Freshmen QB's...the difference is that much of it is usually getting better by the 6th or so game of the season...Eason has regressed....and that indicates a serious problem. I have no doubt Eason could be a great QB under ideal conditions...and he may be yet....but the conditions in Athens are the opposite of ideal just now...and it may mean the end of his career before it ever got started...
And then there is the sophmore slump...if he has one it could be devastating....
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:14 am to DawgsLife
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Eason could develop into something special, if he gets in there and works hard.
AND he has a line that block worth a damn...especially at LT.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:36 am to germandawg
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I think Eason could definitely be something special if he works hard enough but I don't know if a new staff with as many issues as we have is the place to nurture that sort of work ethic, especially considering the culture at UGA.
Working hard is going to be a huge key. But, I think Kirby has definitely changed the culture. I was a huge Richt fan, but Kirby has done a lot to further the program, and change the culture. He has had some missteps, but so far I like what he is doing.
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Eason isn't as good as a freshman as Stafford, Greene or Murray....and it isn't just stats....he doesn't look the part..
I understand what you are saying, but give me results over looks any day. he gave us 2-3 huge comebacks under extreme pressure. he still makes way too many unforced errors, but that will improve with experience.
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Eason has regressed.
I don't know that i agree with this at all. It seemed to me that he improved....then he might have taken a step back between the season and Bowl game. The layoff hurt him. Hopefully the off season will see some major improvements. What he needs to improve on are not easy things to correct, but they are definitely correctable. Keep in mind, he has a private QB coach he will be working with, too. It won't just be our current coaching staff. (Now, that could be good, and it could be bad. That depends on if they are all on the same page)
Posted on 1/4/17 at 9:01 am to WG_Dawg
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offensive line is as bad as it's been in about 13 years. IT IS AWFUL.
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RBs don't have anywhere to run and y
Looks like our RB's had plenty of places to run vs TCU.How bout GTor UK. or even
AU? What exactly changed that made our rushing offense that much better our last
4 games?You think coaching had ANYTHING to do with the poor performance at the beginning of the year?
Obviously not the most talented group ever at UGA but it looks like
some of their issues were solved the last 3rd of the season and there's
no reason for the staff to take 2/3 of the season to figure out how to put
these guys in the best posistion to succedd...especially with 3 returning starters.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 9:49 am
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