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re: Question for Richt Booters
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:20 pm to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:20 pm to Crowknowsbest
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The reality of the situation is that the roster is not at a championship-level right now. I think UGA pretty much has to ride out the next 3 or so years with the new investment in the program and current staff, and see where it goes. If in 3 years we still aren't where we need to be, move on. At least then the talent would likely be better for the next guy.
Talent will be the same 3 years from now as it was 3 years ago...good but not great.
In three years when we are ranked in the top 10 to start the season and find ourselves barely ranked midway through the season we will be having this same conversation. Rich will have been given several raises in the meantime and some contract extensions. And we will be watching as Florida prepares to represent the SEC east in the SEC CG for the third straight year.
Firing Richt today will not change that...it is what it is. We are the second or third best team in the SEC East most years. We may occasionally fall to the fourth or fifth best team in the SEC east and on the rare occasion when the rest of the division is absolutely shitty we will be the best team in the division. It ain't going to happen in the next 3 years though, in my opinion...because Florida recruits as well as we do and will do better than we do going forward. UT and USC are shite as are Vandy and UK so only Missouri is left to challenge us for second best in the division.
Richt has 5-6 seasons left I think and will leave on his own and there will be considerable wailing and gnashing of teeth when he does leave....we will then look back at this time as the best era ever in UGA football.
We have been getting that stuff off the ground for at least 14 years. It is as off the ground as it will ever get at UGA. 2 SEC titles in 33 years. probably 2 more in the next 33, if we are fortunate enough to find a coach as good as Richt who will come to UGA. Better treasure these years boys because there is nothing in our history to suggest that it gets any better....
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:27 pm to Bulldawg2010
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This is why I want him gone. To answer your OP idk what it is that makes Richt shite the bed in the big game.
The answer is in the link you provided...averaging the 8th best recruiting class in the nation is not good enough to win the SEC when 4 of the classes ahead of yours is in the SEC. We simply do not recruit enough talent, period. And the reason ain't Mark Richt...in fact the reason we recruit as well as we do is Mark Richt. The reason is because we are UGA...we do not place a priority on winning....we really have no priority other than making money and not embarassing the University...not bad goals, but not goals that elite, talented competitors are prone to place at the top of their list.
I have wondered at our bragging about our recruiting classes for some time when the schools we must play to get where we want to be are ranked higher every year than we are....it is like being the prettiest girl at fat camp...you are still a fat chick....
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:32 pm to germandawg
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We simply do not recruit enough talent, period.
If only we were trending upward in the recruiting department...
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:37 pm to ATLdawg25
quote:While we aren't (we are holding steady) the fact is that we are still signing about the 3rd or 4th best classes in the conference....in 2011 we had the second best class in conference (as if recruiting class rankings mean anything) but in 2012 we had the 4th best class, in 2013 we had the 7th best class, in 2014 we had the 5th best class and in 2015 the third best class in the conference. So while we may be "trending up" we are about where we always are. It is what it is....we are the same as we always are....good but not great.
If only we were trending upward in the recruiting department...
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:45 pm to germandawg
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While we aren't (we are holding steady)
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So while we may be "trending up"
right.
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in 2011 we had the second best class in conference (as if recruiting class rankings mean anything)
So class rankings don't mean anything, but when our class ranking is not as high as other SEC schools, it means something? right.
This argument has come up a thousand times on here so I'm backing out of this one.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:50 pm to germandawg
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While we aren't (we are holding steady)
What we did 5 years ago doesn't mean much to me, I like to look at what we're doing with who we have (ie, since pruitt/ekeler/etc came on board) compared to before them.
13 class- 12th nationally, 7th in SEC
14 class- 8th nationally, 6th in SEC
enter pruitt and new blood
15 class- 6th nationally, 4th SEC
16th class at present- 7th nationally, 3rd SEC
We continue to improve both nationally and against our SEC peers. Also of note is that our '16 class is going to be quite different in february than now, as there is a buttload of 4 and 5 star studs we lead for, if some haven't even already given us a silent. As I've said before, '16 could be one of the best classes we've ever signed.
We seem to be in agreeance on many things, includign that our recruiting hasn't been near good enough to produce the results we want, BUT...I disagree that we're stagnant there and we'll be the same in a few years we have been the last few years. Our recruiting is trending up and there's no way way to say otherwise, IMO.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:59 pm to WG_Dawg
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We seem to be in agreeance on many things, includign that our recruiting hasn't been near good enough to produce the results we want, BUT...I disagree that we're stagnant there and we'll be the same in a few years we have been the last few years. Our recruiting is trending up and there's no way way to say otherwise, IMO.
I hope you are right...either way come February I, like most of us, will believe we have a shot at the SEC East in a few years. The SEC is probably not something I will buy and I for dam sure ain't going to predict a Natty in my lifetime (I am 50 so it ain't looking good) Go Dawgs.....
Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:15 pm to germandawg
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I, like most of us, will believe we have a shot at the SEC East in a few years.
I see no reason why '17 going forward we shouldnt' content every year.
Next year we'll struggle ala '06 simply because we'll be breaking in a true freshman. We'll still have chubb/sony though and our defense should continue to be very good so that helps.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:29 pm to WG_Dawg
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I see no reason why '17 going forward we shouldnt' content every year.
I don't really understand why we aren't at the top of the SEC east every year but history tells me we aren't so my expectations are obviously out of line. I now fully expect us to be at least the 4th best team in the SEC east more years than not....and I will bet that I won't often be disappointed.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:48 pm to germandawg
Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
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We're recruiting as well as we ever have.
Isn't that kind of part of the problem, though? In terms of touted recruits, we do well. In terms of filling needed gaps (and planning ahead for predictable future ones), not so much.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:12 pm to FaCubeItches
We've only had Pruitt and his guys recruiting for us for a year. Our recruiting the last 20ish months has been so drastically different than it was previously.
I'm not really concerned one iota with our recruiting failures prior to pruitt, considering that all the heavy lifters on staff now (recruiting wise) have been in their current position for 2 years or less. If 2 or 3 years from now our recruiting is still abotu 10th nationally and 5th in the SEC...then I'll eat crow and say there's something wrong. But I don't see that happening.
I'm not really concerned one iota with our recruiting failures prior to pruitt, considering that all the heavy lifters on staff now (recruiting wise) have been in their current position for 2 years or less. If 2 or 3 years from now our recruiting is still abotu 10th nationally and 5th in the SEC...then I'll eat crow and say there's something wrong. But I don't see that happening.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:19 pm to WG_Dawg
The question is Richt, not Pruitt. Under Richt, recruiting has consistently left us with glaring gaps. If Pruitt fixes that, so much the better, but it would highlight that Richt wasn't so good at his job (be it directly, or poor managing of his underlings).
Posted on 10/7/15 at 3:05 pm to germandawg
If we recruit so well then why is our qb situation so bad, that we had to get a UVA guy that couldn't even start there to be our starting qb?
Listen, I get it, a lot of you don't want Richt gone. I understand that.
But when you look at this guys body of work over the past 5-7 years, there is no reason you can give me for him to still be here.
Heck even the 2012 season, where we were 5 yards away, we were embarrassed by South Carolina. And we were only in the position we were in, bc the BCS was a screwed up bs system.
Championship caliber teams don't get beat 35-7. With out 7 points coming against south Caroline's 3rd string defense.
Like I said, I get some of you don't want to be the next Tennessee, Florida, whatever. But some of your fellow fans, are sick and tired of being a good team, with great talent.
Some of us are sick and tired of not winning a division that has been down since 2010.
That's five years and we've won it twice. Last year, we were easily the best team in the division and we lost too two teams that barely made a bowl game.
I will always be a dawg fan, I will always root for them, every Saturday, just like I've done for the past 26 years.
But I will not support a head coach that accepts losing to mediocre teams. Not with the talent that we have.
Listen, I get it, a lot of you don't want Richt gone. I understand that.
But when you look at this guys body of work over the past 5-7 years, there is no reason you can give me for him to still be here.
Heck even the 2012 season, where we were 5 yards away, we were embarrassed by South Carolina. And we were only in the position we were in, bc the BCS was a screwed up bs system.
Championship caliber teams don't get beat 35-7. With out 7 points coming against south Caroline's 3rd string defense.
Like I said, I get some of you don't want to be the next Tennessee, Florida, whatever. But some of your fellow fans, are sick and tired of being a good team, with great talent.
Some of us are sick and tired of not winning a division that has been down since 2010.
That's five years and we've won it twice. Last year, we were easily the best team in the division and we lost too two teams that barely made a bowl game.
I will always be a dawg fan, I will always root for them, every Saturday, just like I've done for the past 26 years.
But I will not support a head coach that accepts losing to mediocre teams. Not with the talent that we have.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 3:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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I'm not really concerned one iota with our recruiting failures prior to pruitt, considering that all the heavy lifters on staff now (recruiting wise) have been in their current position for 2 years or less. If 2 or 3 years from now our recruiting is still abotu 10th nationally and 5th in the SEC...then I'll eat crow and say there's something wrong. But I don't see that happening.
CMR's classes are better than old Goff/ Donnan classes but still carry the same fatal flaw. You win with big, mean, good lineman. Look at UT- all that glitter, and all they have to show for it is 3 5* WR's who catch about 1 ball per game. If you want to beat Bama, you have to at least nearly as good in the trenches...and that presupposes you can outcoach them.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 3:37 pm to Bulldawg2010
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Like I said, I get some of you don't want to be the next Tennessee, Florida, whatever. But some of your fellow fans, are sick and tired of being a good team, with great talent.
I for one would love to be the next Florida...they are close to being back I believe...
But we are not a good team with great talent...we are a good team with good talent relative to the teams we must beat to be a great team.....If we played in the Big 12 we would be the biggest bunch of studs known with our talent....in the SEC we are about 4th or 5th best, period.
Rich is as good as it gets at UGA. There is nothing in our programs history to suggest that anyone....even Nick Saban or Urban Meyer or Steve Spurrier when he was a good coach would do any better at UGA than Richt has done because it is not required....what is required is 4th or 5th in the conference and beating Georgia Tech more often than not,....that won't get it done at Alabama, Auburn, Florida or Ohio State...they will roll the dice....we won't...and a great coach would not be any different because there would be no need to do any better. WOuld we be Bama with Saban at the helm? Not in a million years because there would be no reason for him to work the way he does...on the other hand would Richt only win 2 SEC titles in 14 years at Bama? No, because he would work harder because he would be expected to.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:42 pm to germandawg
I'm responding to the original post as he talked about getting rid of Richt would likely get rid of coordinators and we need 3 more years with current staff.
I have no evidence to back up what I'm about to say as I do not personally know any of the coaches but I've been around this staff before Bobo was hired away. I'd be really surprised if Pruitt and Company are still around in 3 years. I love Pruitt and I've seen him coach and if you've never been around him coaching you don't fully appreciate his genius but I'd just be surprised if he is still #CommittedtotheG 3 years from now.
I have no evidence to back up what I'm about to say as I do not personally know any of the coaches but I've been around this staff before Bobo was hired away. I'd be really surprised if Pruitt and Company are still around in 3 years. I love Pruitt and I've seen him coach and if you've never been around him coaching you don't fully appreciate his genius but I'd just be surprised if he is still #CommittedtotheG 3 years from now.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:54 pm to Remington Dawg
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When a losing coach stays too long recruiting slips and then the next coach has to rebuild. This is why I think the admin needs to go ahead and target a proven head coach and fire Richt
Recruiting is improving though, so..........
Posted on 10/8/15 at 6:10 am to history88
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I'd be really surprised if Pruitt and Company are still around in 3 years. I love Pruitt and I've seen him coach and if you've never been around him coaching you don't fully appreciate his genius but I'd just be surprised if he is still #CommittedtotheG 3 years from now.
I doubt they are here either.....and when they leave they will be the lousiest bastards to ever shite between a pair of Nikes. Bobo gets a pass on this because he is one of our own but I vividly remember Grantham being a "genius" when he came to UGA and how enamored some of us were with him when he showed his arse with Florida....but some of us knew he was a bust from about the third time he spoke to the press. Pruitt is probably a good defensive coordinator...he is not the God that some would have you believe...and I doubt if he stays put at UGA more than 3-5 years....if only because good coordinators have a tendency to not stay coordinators long....
This post was edited on 10/8/15 at 6:14 am
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