Started By
Message
Question for Richt Booters
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:12 pm
Not taking a side here but would like to logically walk through the decison to get rid of Richt if you're the decision maker.
Ok so once again UGA was embarrassed by a highly ranked team at a game that is our most important of the season. Richt has to go; this has gone on too long.
So my question is why does Richt keep losing the big games?
Are the players not physically ready for a big game? I don't think you can make that argument considering the program we have and the caliber of players. Plus we've seen those guys at their best and it's impressive.
Are they mentally not prepared? I don't know about this one. Was there not enough importance put on the players by the coaching staff? Too much?
Was the coaching too vanilla/out of its league? Probably a good argument could be made here but you would ned to be specific. I think Ole Miss beat them because they came up with a scheme speciically to face Bama. You could argue we didn't. You could argue we've been putting points on the board all year by creating holes for our RBs and making screen passes. Neither of those worked. But is it the fault of the coaching staff to not drop what has been working and come up with something new? This would be hard to qualify.
Lastly, who you gonna get and are you ready for the fallout from firing Richt. You would lose a lot of good incoming recruits and possibly some coordinators as well. Both Pruitt and Schott are great but what they put on the field last week isn't a good argument to give them the job anytime soon. There aren't any Sabans, Harbaughs, or Meyers out there waiting (although Strong may be available soon- but would you want him?). Don't even say Gruden. He ain't going any where. Even if you did get an "OMG" coach to replace Richt, you're still looking at rebuilding the program. Yeah, I know that would be preferable to you than going on with Richt. But it's not like firing your burger flipper and wading through a thousand applications to fill that job. UGA is a destination coaching gig and it doesn't matter who you get you're going to have at least half the Richt booters who are on your side upset with the replacement.
Personally I'm on the fence. And I like Jay Gruden. He's accomplished a lot. Just my 2 cents.
Ok so once again UGA was embarrassed by a highly ranked team at a game that is our most important of the season. Richt has to go; this has gone on too long.
So my question is why does Richt keep losing the big games?
Are the players not physically ready for a big game? I don't think you can make that argument considering the program we have and the caliber of players. Plus we've seen those guys at their best and it's impressive.
Are they mentally not prepared? I don't know about this one. Was there not enough importance put on the players by the coaching staff? Too much?
Was the coaching too vanilla/out of its league? Probably a good argument could be made here but you would ned to be specific. I think Ole Miss beat them because they came up with a scheme speciically to face Bama. You could argue we didn't. You could argue we've been putting points on the board all year by creating holes for our RBs and making screen passes. Neither of those worked. But is it the fault of the coaching staff to not drop what has been working and come up with something new? This would be hard to qualify.
Lastly, who you gonna get and are you ready for the fallout from firing Richt. You would lose a lot of good incoming recruits and possibly some coordinators as well. Both Pruitt and Schott are great but what they put on the field last week isn't a good argument to give them the job anytime soon. There aren't any Sabans, Harbaughs, or Meyers out there waiting (although Strong may be available soon- but would you want him?). Don't even say Gruden. He ain't going any where. Even if you did get an "OMG" coach to replace Richt, you're still looking at rebuilding the program. Yeah, I know that would be preferable to you than going on with Richt. But it's not like firing your burger flipper and wading through a thousand applications to fill that job. UGA is a destination coaching gig and it doesn't matter who you get you're going to have at least half the Richt booters who are on your side upset with the replacement.
Personally I'm on the fence. And I like Jay Gruden. He's accomplished a lot. Just my 2 cents.
4
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:17 pm to Charlestondawg
They don't know. They are just fair weather POS fans that only come on this site after a loss wih no idea of what should be done. "Fire Richt" NoW! We lost to the best team, with the best players in the country. Yea, we didn't establish the run, shite got sideways too quickly. Oh well. No reason to turn into a Tennessee or Texas...
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:23 pm to Charlestondawg
I don't think it's likely that firing him makes us better.
The reality of the situation is that the roster is not at a championship-level right now. I think UGA pretty much has to ride out the next 3 or so years with the new investment in the program and current staff, and see where it goes. If in 3 years we still aren't where we need to be, move on. At least then the talent would likely be better for the next guy.
I don't see how nuking it when you're just getting that stuff off the ground is a good idea.
The reality of the situation is that the roster is not at a championship-level right now. I think UGA pretty much has to ride out the next 3 or so years with the new investment in the program and current staff, and see where it goes. If in 3 years we still aren't where we need to be, move on. At least then the talent would likely be better for the next guy.
I don't see how nuking it when you're just getting that stuff off the ground is a good idea.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:26 pm to IT_Dawg
I'm learning to adjust my expectations.
Somebody summed it up yesterday. We've won two nattys in 123 years of college football. The first one took the Axis powers on the march to help achieve and the second one took the greatest player in the history of the NCAA to lead us to and only then we were able to muster one natty during his three year tenure.
We just ain't that elite. We are a top 15 program historically and pretty much currently. I might see one natty in my lifetime just like my father (I was 4 in '80, doesn't count) and his father before him. Maybe.
Mark Richt is leaving UGA on HIS TERMS.
Onward and all that.
Somebody summed it up yesterday. We've won two nattys in 123 years of college football. The first one took the Axis powers on the march to help achieve and the second one took the greatest player in the history of the NCAA to lead us to and only then we were able to muster one natty during his three year tenure.
We just ain't that elite. We are a top 15 program historically and pretty much currently. I might see one natty in my lifetime just like my father (I was 4 in '80, doesn't count) and his father before him. Maybe.
Mark Richt is leaving UGA on HIS TERMS.
Onward and all that.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:34 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
It's just accepting who we are as a program. I stopped demanding NCs or SECCGs or even SEC East Crowns.
I just expect 8-10 wins and a Florida bowl. It makes life a lot easier :).
Richt is a very good coach. Prolly the best coach in UGA football history.
I just expect 8-10 wins and a Florida bowl. It makes life a lot easier :).
Richt is a very good coach. Prolly the best coach in UGA football history.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:37 pm to Charlestondawg
LINK /
This is why I want him gone. To answer your OP idk what it is that makes Richt shite the bed in the big game.
But we've had a new AD, new coordinators, new players, only one thing has stayed the same.
And LOL at the fair wheather fan comment.
I don't think some people realize you can love a football team, and not love the head coach.
Shocking.
This is why I want him gone. To answer your OP idk what it is that makes Richt shite the bed in the big game.
But we've had a new AD, new coordinators, new players, only one thing has stayed the same.
And LOL at the fair wheather fan comment.
I don't think some people realize you can love a football team, and not love the head coach.
Shocking.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:37 pm to Charlestondawg
quote:
our most important of the season.
Most hype, sure. Most important? No way. At top 10 team from the west isn't nearly as bad of a loss as SC/UT/UF/tech would be
quote:
why does Richt keep losing the big games?
He's also won his fair share of big games as well. The problem is people keep wanting to compare him to saban or meyer, which he's not. News flash: there's like 3 or 4 ELITE coaches in america and thsoe are 2 of them. Richt isn't one. Les Miles, Malzahn, patterson, stoops, spurrier, dabo, pretty much just about every other coach in america has lost a good amount of "big games" as well.
But to answer your question...some teams are just better htan us. Some games defy explanation, like UF last year. We shoudln't have lost that one. Saturday is an easy one...they're more talented, better coached, and a better team than us. Pretty simple.
The bottom line is this: UGA is about a 12-15ish CFB program of all time. That's not elite (like a bama, ND, michigan, etc). It's somewhere in the mid/lower level of tier 2. Probably just a notch below your texas, nebraska, tennessee's of the world. As such, we recruit at that "pretty good" level, but are still below teams like bama and ohio state most years. And as such, we have "pretty good" coaching, but not tier 1.
Trust me, I WANT us to be elite with every fiber of my being, but we aren't elite. We're real real good, with a shot at elite every decade or so. Bama right now is going through a run that is truly historical. The fact we don't stack up to them doesn't mean we suck.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:41 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
Pick a side....w/ Richt or against him. Then make fun of the people with the opposite opinion of yours........ and downvote their posts (if you're into that)
This is extent of your power and control over the situation.
Sounds like a collosal waste of time to me.
This is extent of your power and control over the situation.
Sounds like a collosal waste of time to me.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:44 pm to Jefferson Dawg
The advantages Richt has have already been stated on this board for many years because we've had the same discussion for as long as I've been on here and that was in 2010. The conversation hasn't chnaged one bit since I joined.
Give Richt next year and hope Chip Kelly tanks in Philly.
Give Richt next year and hope Chip Kelly tanks in Philly.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:11 pm to Jefferson Dawg
quote:That's why I've just laid low this week, what I or anyone else thinks or feels isn't gonna change things 1 iota. There's been very few 14-0 teams in the BCS/CFBplayoff era. We shite the bed Sat. against a very, very good team whose only loss was by less than a TD with 5 TO's & a coupla fluke plays but other than UF (& the jury is still out on them, not sure OM is that good)we've a great shot at running the table...
Sounds like a collosal waste of time to me.
Imma just gonna fricking let it play out, no one has said not 1 fricking thing I haven't heard a thousand times since 2008, it's all become just noise to me...
The Hartman fund will get my money Feb. 15 '16, my ticket money will be paid April 1 '16 & Prestige parking will get their money by July 15 '16... It's what we all do...
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:41 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:
"He's also won his fair share of big games as well. "
True enough, but he did so more in his first five years. It is what it is.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 6:48 pm to FaCubeItches
Alabama's coaching staff always have their best game plan for their biggest games. We looked foolish many times during the Alabama game, it was embarrassing.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:02 pm to JCdawg
You could see the Bama beat down coming. Not going to make a living running against Bama especially in pouring rain. That leaves the game to the second string QB from VA. Not a good scenario. He was a disaster. NO 5 turnovers from Bama this game.
In regard to Richt. Everyone knows what we have. If the Bama game surprised you, you haven't been paying attention. 8 - 10 wins consistently, with rarely a peak above or below. Sell outs, money flows. He is safe as milk.
We may win out (don't think so) and 9 - 3 looks about right to me. It will be either Fla or us in the SECCG. If a first year Fla coach wins the east over our 15 year coaching dean of the SEC, I will admit it will crush me.
In regard to the proponents of don't make a move it could be worse. According to that logic, Goff would still be at UGA. But the fact is Goff's performance did not meet the performance standards of UGA. The only answer for Richt's 15 year tenure for all of its disappointments and ups and downs, is his performance does. So the power boosters and the admin don't care if he wins the SEC (its been a decade) or the NC (never). They are very content with top 20, Outback Bowl and the cash. Can't blame them really, the cash flow the stadium is full.
For myself, I want more. Yes, I want a Saban type, a Meyer type, a early Spurrier type. They do exist. But I fully realize that desire is futile.
In regard to Richt. Everyone knows what we have. If the Bama game surprised you, you haven't been paying attention. 8 - 10 wins consistently, with rarely a peak above or below. Sell outs, money flows. He is safe as milk.
We may win out (don't think so) and 9 - 3 looks about right to me. It will be either Fla or us in the SECCG. If a first year Fla coach wins the east over our 15 year coaching dean of the SEC, I will admit it will crush me.
In regard to the proponents of don't make a move it could be worse. According to that logic, Goff would still be at UGA. But the fact is Goff's performance did not meet the performance standards of UGA. The only answer for Richt's 15 year tenure for all of its disappointments and ups and downs, is his performance does. So the power boosters and the admin don't care if he wins the SEC (its been a decade) or the NC (never). They are very content with top 20, Outback Bowl and the cash. Can't blame them really, the cash flow the stadium is full.
For myself, I want more. Yes, I want a Saban type, a Meyer type, a early Spurrier type. They do exist. But I fully realize that desire is futile.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:36 am to WhopperDawg
Here's my view. Richt walked in day one in 2001 with a talented roster and made some rookie bad calls, SC and AUB 01. Everyone was forgiving. Then he went on his best 3 years of his career. After 2005 we've had one good season and that was 07 when we ended up #2 at year’s end. The problem with that year was I sat at the Hedges and watched Spurrier outcoach him with a 6-6 team. Then UGA went to UT totally unprepared and got spanked. He's a mediocre play caller but he does not get the kids ready for big game atmospheres ever. Even his good years, 02, shitted one up to Ufag and kept them out of the game. In 03 choked at Death Valley and then Saban shite on his forehead in ATL. He does not know how to get them up for the big games. At this point looking at stats and career, he's been here 15 years, 13 out of 15 have had double digit arse beatings. I believe that he will never win the big game. My point is everyone uses UT, Ten and Texas but those coaches stayed too long, and now SCjr. When a losing coach stays too long recruiting slips and then the next coach has to rebuild. This is why I think the admin needs to go ahead and target a proven head coach and fire Richt
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:43 am to Remington Dawg
Because we all know now that the media will NEVER take UGA serious as long as Richt's the coach. You'll see game times get changed for other programs and that affects recruiting. Also sooner than later recruits are going to see that he's mediocre and they'll stop listening and then we are screwed. We've given him 15 years and he has won two SEC titles. Hell, a lot of other coaches did more and got fired. Everyone here knows that he would not last at Au, the Barn, LSU, Ufag or even UT Sister Kissers. There has to be a time soon that we as fans and boosters and alums make our minds up that we NEED better. Yea, if Bootch gets canned at UT we can steal some of their recruits but we will never win a recruiting battle with Bama, LSU or Ufag in the future because they recruit kids that want a national title. Not just a trip to Florida to the Crapback bowl. Time for change, Fire Richt.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:45 am to Remington Dawg
quote:
we will never win a recruiting battle with Bama, LSU or Ufag in the future because they recruit kids that want a national title.
We're recruiting as well as we ever have.
17-year olds are way less reactionary than the average message board fan.
This post was edited on 10/7/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:51 am to Remington Dawg
quote:
When a losing coach stays too long recruiting slips and then the next coach has to rebuild.
What exactly needs to be rebuilt? The talent base coming through Athens has never been better. The support staff has never been stronger, at least in my lifetime. Nothing needs to be rebuilt. Bringing in a new coach would probably diminish those positives.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:51 am to Remington Dawg
quote:
After 2005 we've had one good season
that's debatable
quote:
he does not get the kids ready for big game atmospheres ever. Even his good years, 02, shitted one up to Ufag and kept them out of the game. In 03 choked at Death Valley
hmmmmmm, kinda like:
-spurrier in 96 losing to FSU (but got to play them for the title, unlike richt)
-saban in 03 (lost to a medicore florida team, got to play for a title, unlike richt)
-meyer in 06 (lost to auburn, got to play for a title, unlike richt)
-miles in 07 (lost to medicore kentucky and arkansas, got to play for a title, unlike richt)
-meyer in 08 (lost to ole miss, got to play for a title, unlike richt)
-saban in 11 (lost to lsu, got to play for a title, unlike richt)
-saban in 12 (lost to a&m, got to play for a title, unlike richt)
-malzahn in 13 (lost to lsu, got to play for a title, unlike richt)
-saban in 14 (lost to ole miss, got to playoffs anyway, unlike richt)
see my point here? I'm not blaming "bad luck" for richt's lack of higher success...but to say "derrrr we lost a game!!!!" is just stupid. Tons of coaches, includign the very best ones in the game today, have lost a regular season game (some in "big" games, some in head scratchingly WTF games) and still had a chance at a title. We haven't.
quote:
My point is everyone uses UT, Ten and Texas but those coaches stayed too long, and now SCjr.
-Tenn's decision was a mistake, as they were still pumping out pretty good teams. And look where they are now. An utter disaster.
-Texas was losing 4/5 games a year, something had to be done. They weren't winning 10 games a year like us
-SC had a 3 year run sandwiched in between being medoicre and now awful. Firing spurrier will be an easy choice.
-AU firing chiz 2 years after a title was an easy choice, because they were atrocious.
-florida firing mushcamp was an easy choice, because they stunk
-bama firing shula was an easy choice, because they stunk
It's not as simple as saying, "well [team X] fired their coach even though he was successful once, why can't we?". Those teams' hands were forced. We win 10 games consistently, that's a much tougher situation to fire a coach than if you're going 6-6 every year. If Richt went 6-6 and 4-8 in the next few years bet your arse he'd be let go.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 10:55 am to Remington Dawg
quote:
the media will NEVER take UGA serious as long as Richt's the coach
unsubstantiated claim with nothing to support it
quote:
Also sooner than later recruits are going to see that he's mediocre and they'll stop listening and then we are screwed.
We are recruiting at a higher level now than we have in the last 10 years. This year could be the best recruiting class we've had in our hsitory, and '17 is rolling right along as well. YOu are so off base here it's laughable.
quote:
a lot of other coaches did more and got fired
they also had some 3-9, 4-8 seasons sprinkled in. We haven't.
quote:
There has to be a time soon that we as fans and boosters and alums make our minds up that we NEED better.
Lulz. YOu as a fan aren't making any decisions. It's on mcgarity and no amount of keyboard mashing will change that.
quote:
we will never win a recruiting battle with Bama, LSU or Ufag in the future
OMG...I mean really, do you even pretend to know what you're talking about? Do you even know how many underclassmen on our team right now came down to us and bama? Hell in the last 5 years there have been probably 10 uga/bama final 2 battles that we've won.
quote:
Time for change, Fire Richt.
let's hear your realistic shortlist of who would come after we fire a coach who wins 10 games a year and is one of the most respected men in the profession.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:08 pm to WG_Dawg
Agreed. You get rid of Richt and our recruiting gains all go backwards. Worst thing to do. We are turning the corner. We lost a game in the rain to one of the 3 best teams in the nation IMO. Not the end of the world.
Page 1 of 2
Latest Georgia News
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News