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re: Pruitt's Take on the Loss
Posted on 10/7/15 at 7:26 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 10/7/15 at 7:26 am to WG_Dawg
I agree with most of the arguments here....
I think its just time to embrace who UGA is and will probably always be...a good, but not elite program, who will always be in the mix but probably never bring home the hardware.
It's a pill the size of Seattle to swallow, but I suggest each of you break that shite up into smaller pieces and start gobbling.
We will probably never out-recruit Saban while he is at Bama...therefore he will always have more talent...throw in some top shelf coaching and motivation...and you see what happens when they play soundly...they fricking rape people.
Just embrace who we are and pray we get some lucky breaks to get us to the top, cause were gonna need them.
I think its just time to embrace who UGA is and will probably always be...a good, but not elite program, who will always be in the mix but probably never bring home the hardware.
It's a pill the size of Seattle to swallow, but I suggest each of you break that shite up into smaller pieces and start gobbling.
We will probably never out-recruit Saban while he is at Bama...therefore he will always have more talent...throw in some top shelf coaching and motivation...and you see what happens when they play soundly...they fricking rape people.
Just embrace who we are and pray we get some lucky breaks to get us to the top, cause were gonna need them.
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 7:35 am to Sandwich
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I think its just time to embrace who UGA is and will probably always be...a good, but not elite program, who will always be in the mix but probably never bring home the hardware.
UGA can move up in the world, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more than just "hurr, durr, fire the coach."
UGA (by that I mean the university, athletic, and football decision-makers) has blamed coaches for 50 years. It's past time to look in the mirror.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:27 am to Crowknowsbest
As I've been reading everyone's responses here, added to the overall FML tone of Dawg fans everywhere following Saturday's debacle of a game, it occurs to me - let's assume that there HAS been a top-down culture change as B-M.
For argument's sake, let's say that the official plan is truly to become Tuscaloosa East. The money finally starts to flow, the entire coaching staff, save CMR is turned over in less than two years, "analysts" galore invade the program, recruits are knocking each other over to get a scholarship, the IPF is going to happen, and the seeds for success in SEC football appear to be sown.
If all those things are true, and Jere Morehead has ushered in a new Era of UGA football, a la Alabama, then we are where the Tide was... in 2007. The smartest thing to do would be stay the course. Yeah, it pisses me off that CMR appears to continue to blow big games, but what if part of that is a function of the above average but not yet elite recruiting, and S&C and off-field analysts, etc.?
All this just occurred to me this morning, so forgive me for playing Devil's Advocate to my own comment in the OP.
For argument's sake, let's say that the official plan is truly to become Tuscaloosa East. The money finally starts to flow, the entire coaching staff, save CMR is turned over in less than two years, "analysts" galore invade the program, recruits are knocking each other over to get a scholarship, the IPF is going to happen, and the seeds for success in SEC football appear to be sown.
If all those things are true, and Jere Morehead has ushered in a new Era of UGA football, a la Alabama, then we are where the Tide was... in 2007. The smartest thing to do would be stay the course. Yeah, it pisses me off that CMR appears to continue to blow big games, but what if part of that is a function of the above average but not yet elite recruiting, and S&C and off-field analysts, etc.?
All this just occurred to me this morning, so forgive me for playing Devil's Advocate to my own comment in the OP.
This post was edited on 10/7/15 at 8:28 am
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:30 am to Crowknowsbest
I'm shocked at the number of folks already turning on Pruitt. He is WORLDS better than Wee Willie Wonka and Fat Todd. You've got to agree with that!
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:37 am to DaveyDownerDawg
I'm not turning on him
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:42 am to Crowknowsbest
There's little doubt that CJP is the best thing to happen to this program since 2005. I saw a post on GTP a few months ago where Senator covered the fact that it's practically unprecedented for a Power Five school to have turned over the entire coaching staff (like you would when you Etch-a-Sketch a whole program) and keep the HC. If you count Grantham leaving as Day 1, we replaced almost everyone (Lilly being the exception) in less than a year.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:43 am to Crowknowsbest
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I'm not turning on him
I know you aren't....I just used your post as a place to respond as I'm lazy and didn't want to go back through the thread. That was for the other folks in this thread.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 11:29 am to gatorhata9
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You can have a talented team without every position on the field being elite
No doubt...but when you getting the second or third or 12th best player at almost every position while 3 or 3v3n 4 teams on your schedule (or if you meet your first goal, winning the SEC east, is going to be on your schedule it just isn't good enough).
Posted on 10/7/15 at 11:47 am to WG_Dawg
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Is there anything we can do about that RIGHT THIS MINUTE? No. So waht can we do? Recruit better, duh. Guess what? We are. Look at the defense talent we're stockpiling now compared to 2 or 3 years ago. What else do you want aside from the #1 recruiting class every year like bama? We're improving, which is all you can ask for really.
We are improving, but we aren't recruiting at the same level that those in our conference are. Again, it doesn't have to be a stark difference in talent level to make a stark difference.
I am not complaining about the level of talent we are recruiting...it is far better than what we have ever recruited before...my point is that it is not now nor is it going to be good enough to make us an elite program because we are not and never have been an elite program. Yes, our coaching staff does one helluva job recruiting and coaching 'em up. I get it..i really do....and the proof is on the field with us winning what, 76% of the games we have played since Richt got here? That is as good as it gets at UGA....we are at the height of the golden era of UGA football...this is as good as it gets...I get it, there is no doubt in my mind. And when Richt decides to leave, on his terms and in his own time, we will look back on these years in dazed wonder at how good a program we were...when we are winning 6-8 games a year and praying for a top 25 finish as we have done for almost our entire history with the exception of the Richt era....
We get good recruits, we dont get great ones. We get good coaches, we dont get great ones (Richt is by far rghe best head coach we have ever had) we have good facilities we dont have great ones....and guess what? We are a good program and not a great one....and other than 5 or 6 programs what is different about us than any others? The answer...nothing.....we are just like most of the SEC, we are as good as the middle of the pack in the ACC, PAC 10, Big 10 and 12 and that is it, period. UGA is what a well coached second tier CFB program looks like....
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People like you are so shortsighted. We aren't bama. We never have been and only on very rare occasions will be measure up to them for any extended time period. As of right now, they are in the middle of a bonafide, legit, honest to God dynasty, one of teh best in CFB history (not sec history, cfb history). So yeah, we aren't as good as them. To say that we're awful and we should fire everyone and our team has no talent because we aren't as good as them is just incredibly naive.
If I am being shortsighted so are you my friend because we are saying the exact same thing....this is as good as it gets for UGA....I am not calling for anyone to be fires....if there was someone responsible for managing fan expectations I would suggest that person hit the bricks but that is on us....we are exactly what you suggest...not a bona-fide contender for the SEC Championship...we have won 2 in 33 years. We have no right to complain about winning 8 games a year because that is what we are....if we wanted to be fans of a contender there are some legit ones out there....but I will stick with the Dawgs, thank you all the same....I only wish we could return to the days when Vince Dooley, as lousy as he was, would every once in a while win a game we shouldn't have ever been in....for a second rate program like ours that is as sweet as winning SEC Championships at Alabama....
Posted on 10/7/15 at 11:52 am to DaveyDownerDawg
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I'm shocked at the number of folks already turning on Pruitt. He is WORLDS better than Wee Willie Wonka and Fat Todd. You've got to agree with that!
None of us will be shocked when he moves on in 3 years....if for no other reason than he is not going to stand for the lack of administrative support he will get at UGA....the IPF being a prime example...dude came from elite programs and will be going back to that sooner rather than later....ain't no fun to drive a Chevrolet when you have grown accustomed to a Caddy...even though they may similar lines....
Posted on 10/7/15 at 11:57 am to germandawg
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We are improving, but we aren't recruiting at the same level that those in our conference are.
For the longest time we've recruited at around a 10th place recruiting finish nationally..problem is that 3 or 4 other SEC teams were ahead of us as well. As of now, we're 7th nationally (3rd in the SEC) only 1 "point" (according to the rankings) behind bama. Oh, and we're not even close to done. By the time February rolls around, we're going to have a class on an even plane with any other SEC school. That hasn't happened often but it's happenign now.
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we are not and never have been an elite program.
I agree, I don't know anyone whose said otherwise.
reading the rest of your post, I agree with just about all of it. The only thing I disagree wiht is that "this is as good as it gets". I don't belive that for a second. We aboslutely can do better.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 11:59 am to VoxDawg
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The smartest thing to do would be stay the course.
That is the only thing to do. Firing Mark Richt would be the biggest mistake this program could ever make. We are better off as a program by a dam sight than we have ever been before...and have no right to expect any thing different (if it happens and it is for the better we are truly blessed). That is my point....if we were going to fire Richt the time has long since passed.....I am happy he is at UGA and happy knowing that he will be here as long as he pleases, that we will win 8 or so games a year with him here, we will recruit just slightly less talented players than 4 or 5 teams in our conference and we will always be just one play away, ala 2012, of winning it all. Hell, who knows? It has been 10 years since we have won an SEC title and we may even win one of those in the next 8 - 10 years, if of course the rest of the conference drops off to our level as it did in 2002 and 2005. Hell we will probably even be at least the second or third best team in the SEC east for the foreseeable future...and USC, Vandy or UK nary one can lay claim to maintainig that sort of consistency.....GO DAWGS!!!!
Posted on 10/7/15 at 11:59 am to germandawg
I will say what I said before. If Alabama had not had 5 turnovers against Ole Miss and some other bad luck, they would have come into Athens ranked in the top 3 in the nation and favored by at least 5. And then this loss would not be getting as much of a reaction as it is now. It was an embarrassing loss, but not the end of the world. I would love to win the East and get a rematch in the dome. Based on our performance, I would have to assume we would lose again, but I bet it would be a much better game. Now on to UT!
Posted on 10/7/15 at 12:40 pm to germandawg
The important thing to realize is that Bama won't always be at the top of the SEC food chain. UTk appears to be in the wilderness for another 5 years, especially once they can ButchWax. Saban won't stay at Alabama for the length of his contract. He'll bow out at some point and trade his field headset for a booth mic with ESPN. That much is for sure.
It could very well be that CMR's true ascendancy is on a track parallel to his old boss, Bobby Bowden. If UGA peaks just as some of the other traditional SEC powers take a step back, then it's the perfect storm for the Dawgs.
Pure speculation, but I can't imagine that Bama, LSU, et al. are going to make home run hires with their next batch of coaches. Tennessee sure as frick doesn't know how to hire a decent one. I imagine that Dave Hart is as good as gone in the AD desk department when Butch gets clobbered.
It could very well be that CMR's true ascendancy is on a track parallel to his old boss, Bobby Bowden. If UGA peaks just as some of the other traditional SEC powers take a step back, then it's the perfect storm for the Dawgs.
Pure speculation, but I can't imagine that Bama, LSU, et al. are going to make home run hires with their next batch of coaches. Tennessee sure as frick doesn't know how to hire a decent one. I imagine that Dave Hart is as good as gone in the AD desk department when Butch gets clobbered.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:04 pm to VoxDawg
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t could very well be that CMR's true ascendancy is on a track parallel to his old boss, Bobby Bowden.
It did take Bowden a while but FSU was beating people they had no business beating and were winning about 85% of their games several years before they won their first Natty....Richt is way behind the curve if Bowden is the measuring stick....
No one wanted to play FSU anywhere, on the road at home or a nuetral sight....because they would win when they had no business doing so. No one looks at their schedule and sees UGA as anything other than an opportunity to get a signature win....that is why we get the best that Kentucky and Vanderbilt and South Carolina has to offer....because they know they can beat us because they have....they don't do that against UF and Bama because they know they won't because they haven't....
Posted on 10/7/15 at 11:01 pm to VoxDawg
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UTk appears to be in the wilderness for another 5 years,
They are very close to being good imo.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 2:30 am to djsdawg
They're also precariously close to spiraling out of control and not being able to recover under this regime.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 4:17 am to VoxDawg
New regimes can make a huge difference. Imagine Chip Kelly at UT.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 9:03 am to djsdawg
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Imagine Chip Kelly at UT.
I'd prefer not to.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 9:05 am to djsdawg
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Imagine Chip Kelly at UT.
imagine harbaugh at UGA. Oh I thought we were just throwing out things that won't happen.
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