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Posted on 10/3/15 at 12:36 pm to DawgCountry
Posted on 10/3/15 at 12:36 pm to DawgCountry
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:14 pm to Alapaha
As far as the hail mary is concerned...do you only count it for the losing team? I notice in our matchup (me beating spanky's arse, of course) that you denoted his hail mary failed. Was my guess (no idea if it was correct or not) taken into account?
I guess what I'm asking is....do you look at both participant's guesses in what you have deemed as the hail mary question, or only look at the team losing as their last ditch effort to win? If the latter, that's not really fair at all.
I guess what I'm asking is....do you look at both participant's guesses in what you have deemed as the hail mary question, or only look at the team losing as their last ditch effort to win? If the latter, that's not really fair at all.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:00 pm to WG_Dawg
It's like you said. If you both hit it and you're leading prior thereto then you lose (I think the theory to make it analogous to a game is the person behind has the ball and there's only one play left). I lost one last year this way. If you are leading at that time you are at a disadvantage which is what I don't like about it but otherwise I like the rest of the format with bonuses, etc.
On another issue I've noticed some picking the underdog to win which if correct earns seven points for the pick. I've always been picking the underdog to cover because they don't have to win and I still get the seven points if they cover. The only other thing which comes in to play is that you can play the bonus with the cover and have a chance at eight points versus seven (or six if you miss the bonus). I'm trying to figure out as to why a player would pick the underdog to win as opposed to simply picking the underdog to cover in cases where the player believes the underdog will win?
On another issue I've noticed some picking the underdog to win which if correct earns seven points for the pick. I've always been picking the underdog to cover because they don't have to win and I still get the seven points if they cover. The only other thing which comes in to play is that you can play the bonus with the cover and have a chance at eight points versus seven (or six if you miss the bonus). I'm trying to figure out as to why a player would pick the underdog to win as opposed to simply picking the underdog to cover in cases where the player believes the underdog will win?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:05 pm to Litigator
well that's fricking stupid. It shoudl be denoted *HMB will only be counted if you are losing going into the game, otherwise will not be counted*
It doesn't make any sense that I fill out a guess for a pick and it won't be counted, unless I'm losing. If I get it right, I should get some sort of credit.
It doesn't make any sense that I fill out a guess for a pick and it won't be counted, unless I'm losing. If I get it right, I should get some sort of credit.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:13 pm to WG_Dawg
So basically player A and player B could have the same exact picks for every game, including the hail mary, except for one of the games in the four quarters and if every single pick for player A is right, player B would still win because they were down a score when they got the hail mary?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:28 pm to Litigator
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On another issue I've noticed some picking the underdog to win which if correct earns seven points for the pick. I've always been picking the underdog to cover because they don't have to win and I still get the seven points if they cover.
That's right. Don't spread it around.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 2:31 pm to WhopperDawg
Posted on 10/4/15 at 4:34 pm to WG_Dawg
The Hail Mary ONLY comes in to play if AFTER all games are completed, and you TRAIL your opponent by 7 pts or less. It is a last ditch effort for you to either win the game or tie it up and send it to OT, whereas the Tie Breaker decides the winner. I would like to hear from you guys and how you feel about the HM Bonus ... keep it, get rid of it, or modify it?
As for picking the underdog to win ... this one made me think some ... the original intent to go with picks against the spread or picks to win straight up was to include the different ways of scoring in an actual football game ...in this case ... TD or FG. But it does raise a question ... what happens when you pick the underdog to win? Are you awarded 3pts or 6 pts? If the underdog wins, then obviously they cover as well ...so it virtually renders picking the underdog to win a moot point.
So let me hear what you think. If we need to make some modifications, we will do so. I'm open to suggestions and ideas ... I want to make this Pick Em as good as it can be.
As for picking the underdog to win ... this one made me think some ... the original intent to go with picks against the spread or picks to win straight up was to include the different ways of scoring in an actual football game ...in this case ... TD or FG. But it does raise a question ... what happens when you pick the underdog to win? Are you awarded 3pts or 6 pts? If the underdog wins, then obviously they cover as well ...so it virtually renders picking the underdog to win a moot point.
So let me hear what you think. If we need to make some modifications, we will do so. I'm open to suggestions and ideas ... I want to make this Pick Em as good as it can be.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 4:38 pm to Alapaha
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The Hail Mary ONLY comes in to play if AFTER all games are completed, and you TRAIL your opponent by 7 pts or less.
this is shite. If it counts for team B, it shoudl coutn for team A as well (assumign both get it correct, of course). You're essentially punishing team A for doing that much better during the course of the "game" in regulation.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 5:27 pm to WG_Dawg
Ok. Point taken.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 5:31 pm to Alapaha
Modification to the Game Pick Options:
EACH of the 16 Game picks have 2 options ...
Option 1:
(A)Pick the Favorite to win for a FG(3 pts)
(B)Pick the Underdog to win for a TD (6 pts + 2 pt Conversion)
Option 2: Pick winner vs spread for a TD (6) plus automatic 1 pt PAT.
Comments?
EACH of the 16 Game picks have 2 options ...
Option 1:
(A)Pick the Favorite to win for a FG(3 pts)
(B)Pick the Underdog to win for a TD (6 pts + 2 pt Conversion)
Option 2: Pick winner vs spread for a TD (6) plus automatic 1 pt PAT.
Comments?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 5:47 pm to Alapaha
I'm studying that second issue.
Making stops along the road now but when I get to my destination I'll post something. Picking an underdog to actually win is difficult and I'd say fairly rare to get right so it should be rewarded in some way.
I'll expound on it later but I'd say keep the HM but make it where each player gets awarded the points if correct.
Making stops along the road now but when I get to my destination I'll post something. Picking an underdog to actually win is difficult and I'd say fairly rare to get right so it should be rewarded in some way.
I'll expound on it later but I'd say keep the HM but make it where each player gets awarded the points if correct.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 6:55 pm to Alapaha
Where do I see results?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 8:51 pm to Alapaha
Suggestions:
Hail Mary-maintain it but also make it available to the player leading at the end of regulation. Thus, if the other player is behind seven or less points at the end of regulation, he gets to attempt the Hail Mary as is now the case. If unsuccessful, the game ends as now. If successful, he gets seven points and then the leading player also gets to attempt a Hail Mary. If unsuccessful, then the score is determined at that point or you go to the tiebreaker as now if they end up tied. If successful, then the leading player wins.
By implementing the Hail Mary in this manner the player leading in points at the end of regulation does not get penalized for being ahead at the end of regulation. Basically, if the score is close (within seven points), each player will have a fair shot of getting one more seven point score. You could call it overtime where in essence each player gets one play to score in the overtime. Of course, if the player who is behind doesn't score in the Hail Mary OT then the game is over.
As to the picking the underdog to win or cover I see nothing better than what you have proposed which if I understand it means that if you pick the underdog to win and it does you get eight points and if you pick the underdog to cover you get seven points as now but I still guess you have the go for two bonus in the underdog cover scenario where you could get eight points but you would have to correctly pick the team scoring first as is now the case.
You could also use the Hail Mary OT where the players are tied at the end of regulation and if they remain tied after the Hail Mary OT the tiebreaker would decide the winner.
Hail Mary-maintain it but also make it available to the player leading at the end of regulation. Thus, if the other player is behind seven or less points at the end of regulation, he gets to attempt the Hail Mary as is now the case. If unsuccessful, the game ends as now. If successful, he gets seven points and then the leading player also gets to attempt a Hail Mary. If unsuccessful, then the score is determined at that point or you go to the tiebreaker as now if they end up tied. If successful, then the leading player wins.
By implementing the Hail Mary in this manner the player leading in points at the end of regulation does not get penalized for being ahead at the end of regulation. Basically, if the score is close (within seven points), each player will have a fair shot of getting one more seven point score. You could call it overtime where in essence each player gets one play to score in the overtime. Of course, if the player who is behind doesn't score in the Hail Mary OT then the game is over.
As to the picking the underdog to win or cover I see nothing better than what you have proposed which if I understand it means that if you pick the underdog to win and it does you get eight points and if you pick the underdog to cover you get seven points as now but I still guess you have the go for two bonus in the underdog cover scenario where you could get eight points but you would have to correctly pick the team scoring first as is now the case.
You could also use the Hail Mary OT where the players are tied at the end of regulation and if they remain tied after the Hail Mary OT the tiebreaker would decide the winner.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 9:22 pm to Litigator
Very good suggestions Litigator!
As of now (this week anyway) I have suspended the Hail Mary Bonus until I decide which is the best way to implement it that is acceptable and fair to everyone.
As of now (this week anyway) I have suspended the Hail Mary Bonus until I decide which is the best way to implement it that is acceptable and fair to everyone.
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 9:24 pm
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