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Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:55 pm
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This is a terribly sad story. When I read it, though, I was a little miffed at one statement:
What happened here? He got downstairs, encountered the flames, had time to yell to his wife and kids and then ran out WITHOUT them? As a husband and father, I just don't understand this. Is there more that I'm missing?
This is a terribly sad story. When I read it, though, I was a little miffed at one statement:
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He went downstairs to check it out, and was forced out of the house by the flames. He says he yelled up to his wife and daughters, Madelyn and Kayla, to get out of the house.
What happened here? He got downstairs, encountered the flames, had time to yell to his wife and kids and then ran out WITHOUT them? As a husband and father, I just don't understand this. Is there more that I'm missing?
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:56 pm
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:13 pm to S1C EM
I agree it doesn't sound right. Maybe I'm too jaded. But I thought foul play when I read that. Like maybe they were already dead up stairs when the fire was set.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:27 pm to Dr Dawg
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Like maybe they were already dead up stairs when the fire was set.
Well, I'd think if that were true, we'd probably know by now. Still, though, this doesn't seem right. If the path that I came downstairs via was accessible enough to get down for a few seconds and see what was going on, I would have gone back up and started on a window...something...if I didn't think we could all get back down to the front door. Yet, he yells up to them and then bolts for the door himself (which likely caused the fire to grow).
I'm saddened for him, but I'm at a loss for the way this is described.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:59 pm to S1C EM
Fires can act in unpredictable ways and spread fast. I do wonder why no one jumped out of a window though.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:22 pm to djsdawg
Dude loses his family in one of the most horrific ways imaginable, loses his house, most all his possessions, and even his dog burns........and now he gets to be called a murderer and have his efforts questioned by people sitting in their ivory internet towers that have no idea what the frick happened and think they're flesh is fire-proof because they think they're Super Dad?
Man, that's some vicious and fricked up shite right there.
Man, that's some vicious and fricked up shite right there.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:01 pm to S1C EM
Doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. Said he went downstairs, opened the door, got blasted out by the flames (possible explosion?) then couldn't get back in. He saw the stairs from where he was standing but couldn't get through the flames. Firefighters said no foul play is suspected. If arson is the cause, is usually spotted right away and investigated further.
Heck for all we know, he could've been knocked unconscious for a minute or so.
Every parent whose kids die isn't Casey Anthony or that Cobb County dude. Awful shite happens.
Heck for all we know, he could've been knocked unconscious for a minute or so.
Every parent whose kids die isn't Casey Anthony or that Cobb County dude. Awful shite happens.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:12 pm to BranchDawg
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Doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. Said he went downstairs, opened the door, got blasted out by the flames (possible explosion?) then couldn't get back in. He saw the stairs from where he was standing but couldn't get through the flames.
Heck for all we know, he could've been knocked unconscious for a minute or so.
Every parent whose kids die isn't Casey Anthony or that Cobb County dude. Awful shite happens.
Not one person has said he did anything wrong. I simply said, as described in the article, something seems to be missing. If the article is correct in its portrayal, he went downstairs, saw flames, and then called to his wife and kids upstairs BEFORE exiting the house. Now, maybe some pieces are missing there, but as it is, it just comes across as odd.
If he yelled up for them, that would seem to suggest he still saw a way for them to come down. Why do it otherwise? In my mind, that makes me think you could still go back up or at least wait until they acknowledge you and/or begin coming down BEFORE you open the front door (which in itself could exacerbate an already bad situation).
Again, there is no evidence that he did anything wrong here. Nobody is saying that. It's absolutely tragic and, obviously, none of us would wish such a thing on anyone. But if you don't think the investigators had these same questions (assuming this is all reported as it actually happened), you're kidding yourself.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:28 pm to S1C EM
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“I came downstairs, I opened the front door and it's like the place exploded. I tried to get back in -- it was too hot,”
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:49 pm to BranchDawg
Again, read the line above that...the one I quoted in the OP. Why open the door AT ALL?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:58 pm to S1C EM
Because either the fire hadn't really started yet or he hadn't seen it and was trying to see where the popping sound was coming from. You're assuming the fire had already taken hold on the house BEFORE he opened the door which isn't stated anywhere
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:12 pm to S1C EM
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Not one person has said he did anything wrong.
Huh? Doctor dawg says he suspects foul play.
And you, yourself, "as a father and a husband" as you put it, said you don't understand his actions. The implication being that theres either foul play or that you consider him a lesser father and husband than you because he and his neighbors weren't able to get through the raging inferno like super dads apparently can.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:12 pm to S1C EM
I call shenanigans, too. Something doesn't add up, and it didn't from the moment the the story was reported.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:14 pm to BranchDawg
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Because either the fire hadn't really started yet or he hadn't seen it and was trying to see where the popping sound was coming from. You're assuming the fire had already taken hold on the house
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He went downstairs to check it out, and was forced out of the house by the flames.
Another article: LINK
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He said his wife and girls were upstairs getting ready for bed when he heard a loud, popping sound.
Patterson went downstairs to investigate and discovered the fire.
“He hollered back up to his wife and two children to get out of the house,” Rutledge said.
It would seem that he clearly saw the fire. The only thing I can think of is that he panicked in the moment, exited the house, and didn't realize the severity of the situation until it was too late to get back in.
In any case, it's incredibly sad. No one is blaming him. I was just curious as to whether or not anyone here had heard anything more about it because the way it was reported seemed as though something was missing.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:18 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Huh? Doctor dawg says he suspects foul play.
frick off, Jeff.
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And you, yourself, "as a father and a husband" as you put it, said you don't understand his actions.
Based ON THE REPORT AS IT IS WRITTEN, no, I DO NOT. Again, frick off.
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The implication being that theres either foul play or that you consider him a lesser father and husband than you because he and his neighbors weren't able to get through the raging inferno like super dads apparently can.
You're such a worthless pile of shite sometimes. You read all of that into my post ON YOUR OWN. I clearly stated I didn't believe there was foul play. He's not a lesser father than anyone (I never said that, and certainly was not trying to imply it, either), but I can tell you that his actions in the moment could only be explained by panic. It's all I can personally come up with because I don't see EXITING THE HOUSE WITHOUT YOUR FAMILY WHEN YOU JUST CAME DOWN YOURSELF.
Geez, dude. There's a definite reason you haven't found your way to the "other board".
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:37 pm to S1C EM
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I can tell you that his actions in the moment could only be explained by panic.
Kind of like what's happening to you right now?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:50 pm to Jefferson Dawg
You wish, brother. Keep trying though. 
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:50 pm to BranchDawg
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Because either the fire hadn't really started yet or he hadn't seen it and was trying to see where the popping sound was coming from. You're assuming the fire had already taken hold on the house BEFORE he opened the door which isn't stated anywhere
Didn't Ron Howard make a movie out of a phenomenon called "Backdraft"? Where an oxygen-starved fire will explode into an inferno when someone opens a door or window or something that rapidly re-introduces oxygen to the mix?
Maybe it was one of these.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:56 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I've already laid out the fact that opening the door likely made the situation worse. They describe the fire as "wind-driven"...so opening the door allowed the outside conditions (it was very windy Tuesday) to force fresh O2 into the house. It fed the fire.
My question is simply why open the door before you get everyone down? And again, panic at the sighting of fire in the house is all I can come up with. I can't imagine what this guy is going through right now, but I can tell you that what happened to him got me thinking about taking extra measures to be "fire-ready" in my own home. It should serve as a wake up call for everyone.
My question is simply why open the door before you get everyone down? And again, panic at the sighting of fire in the house is all I can come up with. I can't imagine what this guy is going through right now, but I can tell you that what happened to him got me thinking about taking extra measures to be "fire-ready" in my own home. It should serve as a wake up call for everyone.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 4:58 pm to S1C EM
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You wish,
Nope. You panicked/freaked out. Big time.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:09 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Okay, buddy. Whatever you say. 
Try not to hit the RA button too hard this time.
Try not to hit the RA button too hard this time.
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